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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    That is also going to take time. Since neither the US, nor NATO is committed to sending soldiers, the credible deterance must come from Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia etc. .

    Western weapons manufacturers have priced themselves out of the market. The Baltic nations are too small to be able to afford significant, or even moderate amounts of pricey western eqipment. Ukraine, once they get their economy fixed, probably could afford a significant amount, but that is years away.

    Ironically, the weapons that have the best value (cost to performance), and when in the hands of well trained soldiers, could be a credible deterrance against Russian strong arming, are all made in Russia.
    I agree that time is required. This situation didn't develop overnight, and it won't be fixed overnight, either. There are serious questions about the EU's commitment to such an effort as the past indicates, and we bear some responsibility in that we have enabled the very weakness we decry. The weapons situation you point out is all too true. Our reliance on high tech, high performance weaponry has been a hotly debated course within the defense community. Some of what we develop is done because we can, not necessarily because we should. Reliance on such technology and sophistication has it's downsides, as the purchase of Russian helicopters for the Afghan army demonstrated. Our helicopters would require inordinate training of the Afghans just so they could fly them. In truth, when a fellow is throwing rocks at you, you do not need a $2000 rifle to take him out.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I don't think he will do that unless the Ukrainian government starts attacking his forces. He is in Crimea at their request. I think that's where his interests ends, to maintain good relations with that region. Maybe his end game is to absorb them, but... who knows...

    Putin's a master at strategy, and Kerry, Obama, etc. are showing themselves to be the fools we all knew they were.
    How many times do we have to say "I told you so"? But this is what you get when it is amateur hour in the White House. You put in an inexperienced community organizer as the leader of the free world, well the free world will shrink. It was bad enough when he exploded our debt, but now with Russia and China on the move, he is continuing to gut our military. These moves by Putin and others go all the way back to the apology tour and the weakness of our American president. We can't fix this by sending our goof ball SOS to Kiev. We need to plan our strategy for years out into the future, and we need people capable of doing that. Sorry, but the "reset button" is not quite up to snuff.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Don't rescue them! Ukraine is already a waste land and most of their leaders are corrupt and useless cowards. The Russians haven't fired a single shot yet already half of Ukrainian navy and 30% air force staff have defected either to Russia or to the newly independent Crimea. The U.S. and the Western leaders are on the wrong side of history again.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by north korean View Post
    Don't rescue them! Ukraine is already a waste land and most of their leaders are corrupt and useless cowards. The Russians haven't fired a single shot yet already half of Ukrainian navy and 30% air force staff have defected either to Russia or to the newly independent Crimea. The U.S. and the Western leaders are on the wrong side of history again.
    60% of Iraq capitulated before we crossed the boarder. The Russians have a superior military and fighting military vs military would surely mean the death of many Ukrainian soldiers. Sometimes retreating and fighting another day is the best course of action.

    However, I agree we should not get involved.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Oh, that's not even the best part.

    our fearless Community Organizer, making sure that the world is safe from a decently-armed Ukraine. Cause, you know, when are they going to need weapons?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    How many times do we have to say "I told you so"? But this is what you get when it is amateur hour in the White House. You put in an inexperienced community organizer as the leader of the free world, well the free world will shrink. It was bad enough when he exploded our debt, but now with Russia and China on the move, he is continuing to gut our military. These moves by Putin and others go all the way back to the apology tour and the weakness of our American president. We can't fix this by sending our goof ball SOS to Kiev. We need to plan our strategy for years out into the future, and we need people capable of doing that. Sorry, but the "reset button" is not quite up to snuff.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Great, another comparison to Hitler, Brzezinski has had one for Russia forever, and he's not speaking for Jimmy Carter now.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Great, another comparison to Hitler, Brzezinski has had one for Russia forever, and he's not speaking for Jimmy Carter now.
    Why shouldn't there be a comparison to Hitler? Are we not supposed to learn from history, and Russian's history as well?

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