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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I love it when the apologists for Russian expansionism support the idea of Putin forcibly restoring Yanukovych to the presidency. That would be political and diplomatic suicide for Moscow: there's no way that the Ukrainian people would stand even a few more months of that crook's regime, and whatever existing support for Russia amongst Ukrainians would vanish.
    I love it when Russia doing nothing more than the US would do in similar circumstances is considered "expansionism", wish you hadn't lost your religion, I'm sure I would have liked you dude.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Glad to give my old pal a chuckle. It's funny that you think the West IS THE WORLD.
    When did I say that? That's one.

    And that international law is only important when you think that a country other than the US has violated it.
    I don't think international law is ever important. And I actually specifically said that twice already in this thread. Twice [b]to you[\b]. That's two.

    You forget that you're still wrong that Russia has violated IL. And dude, by you're own admission, on another board, you don't give a **** about IL.
    Another board? What are you talking about? But wait, you just said I cared about international law? Now you realize what I've been telling you: that I don't? So do I care or don't I? Sorry but this is gonna have to go down as three. Three horrible mistakes not in opinion but just plain logic, just in this post. Do you see what I'm talking about? You're so bad at this, so you probably don't.

    but that's between you and me, these guys won't know about that.
    Uhhh...okay?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, but how many of them will fight with the Russians if it comes to that?
    No one knows for sure. That's a huge problem for the new Ukrainian government. Moreover, its crude move to remove the designation of Russian as an official regional language won't provide the kind of symbolism for Ukraine's ethnic Russians to be wholly supportive of Kiev.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The EU is struggling right now too! Anyway, if Putin moves to secure the country and his assets, installs a pro Russian government and gets the hell out, everyone will be better off, save the half of the population that won't be happy. If Putin has designs beyond Ukraine as so many are accusing him of, then that's a different story, and I suppose the EU couldn't afford not to do something.
    I don't believe the EU will do much of anything, with the exception of the eastern european countries formerly part of the Soviet block. They have reason for skepticism of any accommodation of Russia and territory. What exactly a country like Poland might do is questionable, but I doubt they'll just sit back. There's little doubt in my mind that Putin acted to secure his warm water port in the face of the possibility that least might not be renewed. Putin decided to just take it and settle the issue.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    When did I say that? That's one.



    I don't think international law is ever important. And I actually specifically said that twice already in this thread. Twice [b]to you[\b]. That's two.



    Another board? What are you talking about? But wait, you just said I cared about international law? Now you realize what I've been telling you: that I don't? So do I care or don't I? Sorry but this is gonna have to go down as three. Three horrible mistakes not in opinion but just plain logic, just in this post. Do you see what I'm talking about? You're so bad at this, so you probably don't.



    Uhhh...okay?
    You don't care about IL, yet you think I should excuse the US's violation of it as you THINK I'm excusing Russia's. you're still making no sense. I don't know how to deal with you. I guess I'll just take the laugh and go on.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't care about IL, yet you think I should excuse the US's violation of it as you THINK I'm excusing Russia's. you're still making no sense. I don't know how to deal with you. I guess I'll just take the laugh and go on.
    lol, you should BE CONSISTENT. I'm honestly kinda getting disturbed that this is such a foreign concept to you.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol, you should BE CONSISTENT. I'm honestly kinda getting disturbed that this is such a foreign concept to you.
    If I thought that Russia was violating IL, and then was excusing it, I would be inconsistent. At this point, in my opinion they haven't. That's subject to change. But anybody excusing what the US has done in the last 13 years while condemning Russia would be the inconsistent ones. You should call them out.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If I thought that Russia was violating IL, and then was excusing it, I would be inconsistent. At this point, in my opinion they haven't. That's subject to change. But anybody excusing what the US has done in the last 13 years while condemning Russia would be the inconsistent ones. You should call them out.
    ....reread that and try again. If you say Russia isn't doing what the US has done, how would what you just typed make sense? The thing about the transitive property is that it's transitive! If it can work one way, it can work the other! So that's your first cognitive error of that post.

    The second is that some people might just be supportive of what helps the West/US. Just because they're condemning Russia didn't mean they're condemning Russia on the grounds of international law. Do you understand that, or is that error number two?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You speak as though ALL of the Ukraine wished for that.
    Did all of us vote for Obama? Yet, he is our president (well, sort of).
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    ....reread that and try again. If you say Russia isn't doing what the US has done, how would what you just typed make sense? The thing about the transitive property is that it's transitive! If it can work one way, it can work the other! So that's your first cognitive error of that post.

    The second is that some people might just be supportive of what helps the West/US. Just because they're condemning Russia didn't mean they're condemning Russia on the grounds of international law. Do you understand that, or is that error number two?
    I do not understand why your having trouble with this, unless you are just enjoying being contrary. I don't believe that at this point Russia has violated IL. I do believe the US has a long history of it. It does appear that you may have just conceded yourself that Russia hasn't violated IL, citing that people may just be condemning Russia for doing what's good for them, but maybe isn't good for the West/US.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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