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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    What? lol, would that have taken you a lot of time to write?

    Now, for the record, are you more interested in international law, or are you more interested in what nations think of international law?
    Surely more interested in what people think of it. If it only gets lip service, it doesn't matter.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Plus Russia is one of the "Big 5," in the UN, and holds veto power. Would that mean that it's DOA immediately?

    Greetings, humbolt.
    Anything the EU does is likely to end up biting them. The big question, should this peeing contest occur, is who would hold out the longer. I don't know, but I'm betting the people of the EU would like to keep warm, run their cars etc, and all that. But I truly don't know.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Not people- nations. The gymnastics you're putting yourself through to justify supporting Russian imperialism while decrying American imperialism is hilarious. Be against it, be for it, or don't care either way. Otherwise just admit you support some countries doing it but don't support others.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Anything the EU does is likely to end up biting them. The big question, should this peeing contest occur, is who would hold out the longer. I don't know, but I'm betting the people of the EU would like to keep warm, run their cars etc, and all that. But I truly don't know.
    The EU is struggling right now too! Anyway, if Putin moves to secure the country and his assets, installs a pro Russian government and gets the hell out, everyone will be better off, save the half of the population that won't be happy. If Putin has designs beyond Ukraine as so many are accusing him of, then that's a different story, and I suppose the EU couldn't afford not to do something.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Not people- nations. The gymnastics you're putting yourself through to justify supporting Russian imperialism while decrying American imperialism is hilarious. Be against it, be for it, or don't care either way. Otherwise just admit you support some countries doing it but don't support others.
    Nations don't think! If you were talking to me, I'm not satisfied that this is Russian imperialism (yet anyway) as you apparently think. By the way, should I assume that you're against what Putins doing.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The EU is struggling right now too! Anyway, if Putin moves to secure the country and his assets, installs a pro Russian government and gets the hell out, everyone will be better off, save the half of the population that won't be happy. If Putin has designs beyond Ukraine as so many are accusing him of, then that's a different story, and I suppose the EU couldn't afford not to do something.
    A "pro-Russian government" can no longer be sustained in Ukraine except by force.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nations don't think! If you were talking to me, I'm not satisfied that this is Russian imperialism (yet anyway) as you apparently think. By the way, should I assume that you're against what Putins doing.
    What Putin is doing is good for Russia. I'm not Russian, so that's inconsequential to me. Now the question is, since I'm a Westerner, is it good for the West?

    But lol "nations don't think". You're just a simple fella, aren't you?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Kasparov, a council member of The Human Rights Foundation, left Russia last year. (long time world chess champion)

    He agrees with President Barack Obama’s assessment that the current standoff with Moscow is not "some Cold War chessboard."
    "In chess we have rules, and clearly Putin doesn't care about rules," said Kasparov. "What he has been doing now in Ukraine – it violates international law, and international treaties Russia has signed before."
    Garry Kasparov: This isn't Cold War chess, chess has rules – Putin doesn't care about rules – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs

    Thinking about Kasparov the other day ( while I was losing a tournament game..lol)

    He ran as an opposition figure to Putin - think it was for the president, but it's been a long time and I don't feel like googling it.

    He finally left Russia a year or so ago, said his life was in danger - looks like he knew what he was talking about - Putin wouldn't have any trouble silencing domestic opposition ( my opinion)

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    What Putin is doing is good for Russia. I'm not Russian, so that's inconsequential to me. Now the question is, since I'm a Westerner, is it good for the West?

    But lol "nations don't think". You're just a simple fella, aren't you?
    People do think, and people decide the direction a country goes, so I'm interested in what Bush, Obama, Putin and Merkel think about IL. And securing his port and military posts is for sure good for Russia, and reasonable. And with half the countries loyalties to Russia, he has far more legitimacy then most are acknowledging. It's what he does after he has secured the country, and has seen to it a pro-Russian government is up and running that will affect my opinion further.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    People do think, and people decide the direction a country goes, so I'm interested in what Bush, Obama, Putin and Merkel think about IL. And securing his port and military posts is for sure good for Russia, and reasonable. And with half the countries loyalties to Russia, he has far more legitimacy then most are acknowledging. It's what he does after he has secured the country, and has seen to it a pro-Russian government is up and running that will affect my opinion further.
    lol. Just so funny to hear you defend power politics and ignoring world opinion and international law after all this time of you complaining about the US doing those things. I love it!
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