Page 55 of 90 FirstFirst ... 545535455565765 ... LastLast
Results 541 to 550 of 895

Thread: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

  1. #541
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,649

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Which is why Russia's military intervention is a sign of weakness.

    Imagine the situation in Ukraine becoming a larger version of Chechnya?
    Stupidity maybe, depending on the outcome, but weakness? No. The Russians have shown a willingness to drive an all out war to point where the enemy can only hope to win a Pyrrhic victory. They don't go half way.

    By 10pm EST tonight we should know where this is going. Ukraine is certainly anti-Russia, but the one thing we know is that when it comes to waging war they are every bit as ruthless as Russia. I expect that if Ukraine doesn't forfeit Crimea that the war that would result from TWO ruthless ex-Soviet states will be catastrophic. Also, Ukrainians being Ukrainians I would be very surprised if they forfeited Crimea to the Russians.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  2. #542
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Stage military readiness exercises of forces in the EU bases, issue orders to ready a deployment of a carrier group to the area. Any number of other levels of military posturing to let Putin know that the US is quite capable of defending Ukraine as per our treaty.

    Once this is established then you can have a talk with Russia.

    As it is Putin just laughs at any US attempt at diplomacy because he knows, in the end, that the US will do nothing to stand in the way.

    Following this you can expect a few months later Putin will start signalling the need for Russian troops in some other state that was previously a part of the Soviet Union, claiming the need to protect ethnic Russians who invariably inhabit the border regions of ALL previously Soviet States.

    This will also get China seriously thinking about action in Taiwan and elsewhere after Putin has shown the US will not protect its Allies. Hell, China even more-so than Russia will feel emboldened by this because China knows that the US would feel serious pain from a embargoing China.
    I'm more concerned with the health and welfare of my countrymen than the Taiwanese or a minority of Ukrainian's, and I don't wish for our president to spend blood and treasure defending them. But sense at this point Putins actions are being mischaracterised, and if Pete is right about the last election, Putin is further legitimised. Otherwise there's a whole lot of speculation in your post.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 03-03-14 at 04:27 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  3. #543
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You want to start WWIII for what reason? Why on earth would that be a good idea? What positive outcome could be SO worth it to do such a thing? You want millions of people to die to show Putin we're not pussies?

    This is so incredibly unnecessary. Putin is going to keep Crimea, he wants to scare Ukraine and try and get another pro Russian puppet in there to replace the one that was just ousted, that's all he wants. Yes this sucks for Ukraine but I'm pretty sure its preferable to decimation.
    Exactly correct.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  4. #544
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Russia previously used other means, such as economic warfare, to keep Ukraine in line. Why would it abandon less risky tactics for military ocupation?
    You mean this 'economic warfare'? The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33

  5. #545
    Educator
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Last Seen
    03-25-14 @ 05:46 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    873

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where did you read anything of Harper requesting the permission of Barrack Obama? Harper knows Obama is a fool, and has politely said so.
    Harper knows that Obama is not really in charge of his government...this is where the NSA revelations of a deep state existing run by private contractors and entrenched government officials, explains more about U.S. foreign policy than anything the President says or wants to do...as recently explained by former Republican official - Mike Lofgren, in an interview on Bill Moyer's show: What’s Going On Underneath the Surface of Partisan Politics Harper doesn't have to look for directions from Obama, when he knows who is wielding power over foreign policy issues.
    Why should our nastiness be the baggage of an apish past and our kindness uniquely human? Why should we not seek continuity with other animals for our "noble" traits as well?
    Stephen J. Gould

  6. #546
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,649

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, but how many of them will fight with the Russians if it comes to that?
    Considering how they fight wars in that region, I would expect that there will be millions involved in the war on either side no matter how the loyalties fall. Anti-Russian Ukrainians remember all too well the policies of the Soviet era that led to the starvation deaths of 20 million Ukrainians and they aren't too keen of moving back under Russian control.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  7. #547
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Harper knows that Obama is not really in charge of his government...this is where the NSA revelations of a deep state existing run by private contractors and entrenched government officials, explains more about U.S. foreign policy than anything the President says or wants to do...as recently explained by former Republican official - Mike Lofgren, in an interview on Bill Moyer's show: What’s Going On Underneath the Surface of Partisan Politics Harper doesn't have to look for directions from Obama, when he knows who is wielding power over foreign policy issues.
    Hmm... I'm wondering how much the Snowden information influenced Putin's move.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  8. #548
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The US had no standing treaty to defend Chechnya. Also Chechnya was a known hotbed of Islamic terrorism that he US was in the process of combating anyway. As such, for right or wrong the US was indifferent to the Russia action in Chechnya which was itself in response to terrorist attacks and threats from the region.

    Also consider the size of Chechnya when compared to Ukraine. While the Russian's say they only have designs on Crimea, in reality, if Ukraine decides to fight the occupation the war will suddenly grow to scales that haven't been seen in a very long time with massive refugee crisis within the EU member states that border Ukraine.

    The Ukrainian military is 6,000,000 strong. While it would eventually loose to a Russian invasion the death toll would be staggering.
    You continue to mischaracterise things. It's not "Ukraine", its some of the Ukrainians, and they started destroying public property, they toppled the government, seized the military and declared independence. You wouldn't condone that at home.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  9. #549
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Harper knows that Obama is not really in charge of his government...this is where the NSA revelations of a deep state existing run by private contractors and entrenched government officials, explains more about U.S. foreign policy than anything the President says or wants to do...as recently explained by former Republican official - Mike Lofgren, in an interview on Bill Moyer's show: What’s Going On Underneath the Surface of Partisan Politics Harper doesn't have to look for directions from Obama, when he knows who is wielding power over foreign policy issues.
    I have no interest in your conspiracy theories. There is a forum for them somewhere else on these boards.

  10. #550
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,649

    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm more concerned with the health and welfare of my countrymen than the Taiwanese or a minority of ukraine s, and I don't wish for our president to spend blood and treasure defending them. But sense at this point Putins actions are being mischaracterised, and if Pete is right about the last election, Putin is further legitimised. Otherwise there's a whole lot of speculation in your post.
    There is a lot of speculation in your post too. Mine happens to be grounded in the reality of the situation, though.

    You utterly fail to grasp the gravity of the situation in Ukraine and what it means to the world economy, and world peace.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

Page 55 of 90 FirstFirst ... 545535455565765 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •