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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Good point. I bet that will scare them in their little pointy boots.


    ....Or they won't care because Green NIMBYism keeps us from effectively developing the energy resources that would be necessary to save Eastern Europe from their grasp, they know that we won't respond with actual force, and Russians always prefer to be feared than loved in their Near Abroad.
    They will be unable to maintain control of the occupied territory because the occupied people will resist Russian attempts to establish control. Kind of similar to how we were unable to control Iraq.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The US had no standing treaty to defend Chechnya. Also Chechnya was a known hotbed of Islamic terrorism that he US was in the process of combating anyway. As such, for right or wrong the US was indifferent to the Russia action in Chechnya which was itself in response to terrorist attacks and threats from the region.

    Also consider the size of Chechnya when compared to Ukraine. While the Russian's say they only have designs on Crimea, in reality, if Ukraine decides to fight the occupation the war will suddenly grow to scales that haven't been seen in a very long time with massive refugee crisis within the EU member states that border Ukraine.

    The Ukrainian military is 6,000,000 strong. While it would eventually loose to a Russian invasion the death toll would be staggering.
    Which is why Russia's military intervention is a sign of weakness.

    Imagine the situation in Ukraine becoming a larger version of Chechnya?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    They will be unable to maintain control of the occupied territory because the occupied people will resist Russian attempts to establish control. Kind of similar to how we were unable to control Iraq.
    The populace in the areas that they have seized are almost unreservedly pro-Russian, and particularly this section of Ukraine has a long history of sometimes-being-part-of-Russia-sometimes-not. Furthermore, there are no strategic depth areas where insurgents can train, rest, refit, recruit, and avoid targeting; the EU sure as hell isn't going to start supporting armed groups taking on the Russians in the way that (for example) Syria and Iran supported armed groups taking on the Americans.

    I will bet you a years' platinum membership right now that we do not see an insurgent effort in the Ukraine on par with the insurgency that threatened to wrest control of Iraq.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Which is why Russia's military intervention is a sign of weakness.
    yeah. It's a sign of weakness when you are willing to invade another country secure in the knowledge that neither that country, nor any other of your major near-peer competitors, will lift a realistic finger to stop you.

    What the hell is this - some kind of expansion of the "oh, he only commits crimes because of how deeply society has wounded him" analysis from the domestic to the international sphere?


    Only this administration would be stupid or desperate enough to come up with an argument like that. I wonder how long and hard Putin laughed when he heard we had said that, or if nothing we say surprises him anymore.


    Hey, don't worry, Ukraine, the fact that Russia is totally dominating you is just a sign of how weak they really are!


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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The populace in the areas that they have seized are almost unreservedly pro-Russian, and particularly this section of Ukraine has a long history of sometimes-being-part-of-Russia-sometimes-not. Furthermore, there are no strategic depth areas where insurgents can train, rest, refit, recruit, and avoid targeting; the EU sure as hell isn't going to start supporting armed groups taking on the Russians in the way that (for example) Syria and Iran supported armed groups taking on the Americans.

    I will bet you a years' platinum membership right now that we do not see an insurgent effort in the Ukraine on par with the insurgency that threatened to wrest control of Iraq.
    Maybe Putin's plan is a new Holodomor, though I thought the early 20th century version removed most of the ethnic Ukrainians and subsequently the vacuum was filled with Russians.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Ukrainian military is 6,000,000 strong. While it would eventually loose to a Russian invasion the death toll would be staggering.
    Ukraine has combined combat troops and reserves of 1,160,000.

    Ukraine Military Strength

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah. It's a sign of weakness when you are willing to invade another country secure in the knowledge that neither that country, nor any other of your major near-peer competitors, will lift a realistic finger to stop you.

    What the hell is this - some kind of expansion of the "oh, he only commits crimes because of how deeply society has wounded him" analysis from the domestic to the international sphere?


    Only this administration would be stupid or desperate enough to come up with an argument like that. I wonder how long and hard Putin laughed when he heard we had said that, or if nothing we say surprises him anymore.


    Hey, don't worry, Ukraine, the fact that Russia is totally dominating you is just a sign of how weak they really are!

    Russia previously used other means, such as economic warfare, to keep Ukraine in line. Why would it abandon less risky tactics for military ocupation?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If Russia commits war crimes they will be criticised as well. But here's the difference, Russia puts up little front of respecting IL.
    ???

    Is your issue with people respecting international law or isn't it? Or is it about attitude toward international law? Can you please try to be consistent?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ukraine has combined combat troops and reserves of 1,160,000.

    Ukraine Military Strength
    I am counting military ready civilian population which is actually 6.9 million, but a fair number of them are Russian sympathizers so the combined force that Ukraine could rally would be about 6,000,000.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ukraine has combined combat troops and reserves of 1,160,000.

    Ukraine Military Strength
    Yeah, but how many of them will fight with the Russians if it comes to that?

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