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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's not an invasion, stop lying. As though Russia started all this.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My agenda is peace. While Putin didn't start this conflict, he's the best man to end it, A, and B, I disagree with you that responding to a country on his border who's citizens (some anyway) started burning ****, toppled the government, seized control of the military and declared independence, is a violation of treaty or law.
    Of course you do. You'd never extend that benefit of the doubt to the US, though. It's interesting. You also get a lot of your news from RT, too, don't you? Very interesting.

    Here's a tip: don't get up on a self righteous soapbox about war crimes and such if you're unwilling to apply that standard across the board. Just common sense, dude.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I see, so you are predicting Obama's inaction (whatever that means) is going to trigger WW111.
    The world is black and white to you isn't it? I am saying that Obama's inaction is making matters worse. He's playing Russian roulette with ... Russia. That isn't to say there is a bullet in the chamber today.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I see. Because Obama "said" force is off the table, that means force is off the table, right? Anyway, force cannot be on the table with Russia, A, your not pushing Russia over like you did Iraq and Libya, the US would have huge skin in the game just to try and prevent a country who's citizens are split 50/50 from going Russian, and secondly, if Obama put force on the table, and then didn't use it, you'd bitch at him for that. Again, exactly what is it that you think Obama should be doing?
    If Obama said that force is off the tale that means that our opponent will behave as if FORCE IS OFF THE TABLE.

    I mean, FFS, man, if the President says he won't use force and then actually DOES use force anyway then he is an even bigger imbecile that I thought since his initial statement has contributed to the outbreak of war rather than avoid it.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If Obama said that force is off the tale that means that our opponent will behave as if FORCE IS OFF THE TABLE.

    I mean, FFS, man, if the President says he won't use force and then actually DOES use force anyway then he is an even bigger imbecile that I thought since his initial statement has contributed to the outbreak of war rather than avoid it.
    I don't think Russia can afford to have a war with Ukraine or maintain a military ocupation of Ukraine. It would be a another Chechnya.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If Obama said that force is off the tale that means that our opponent will behave as if FORCE IS OFF THE TABLE.

    I mean, FFS, man, if the President says he won't use force and then actually DOES use force anyway then he is an even bigger imbecile that I thought since his initial statement has contributed to the outbreak of war rather than avoid it.
    If you look at history, cool heads generally provide more favorable outcomes in conflicts like this. Only a lunatic would think the U.S. is going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Diplomacy is the only option here and pretending to take a possible military posture will do nothing but raise tensions.

    We will try and wrestle Ukraine away from Russia using soft power and the will of the Ukranian people in the safest manner possible. The Soviet Union and communism collapsed without firing a single bullet, diplomacy and economics are the weapon of choice for these situations now.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Of course you do. You'd never extend that benefit of the doubt to the US, though. It's interesting. You also get a lot of your news from RT, too, don't you? Very interesting.

    Here's a tip: don't get up on a self righteous soapbox about war crimes and such if you're unwilling to apply that standard across the board. Just common sense, dude.
    If Russia commits war crimes they will be criticised as well. But here's the difference, Russia puts up little front of respecting IL.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The world is black and white to you isn't it? I am saying that Obama's inaction is making matters worse. He's playing Russian roulette with ... Russia. That isn't to say there is a bullet in the chamber today.
    I'm still not clear on what you think Obama should do?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If Obama said that force is off the tale that means that our opponent will behave as if FORCE IS OFF THE TABLE.

    I mean, FFS, man, if the President says he won't use force and then actually DOES use force anyway then he is an even bigger imbecile that I thought since his initial statement has contributed to the outbreak of war rather than avoid it.
    It's getting clearer. I think you're saying that the entire Ukrainian situation is Obama's fault.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Yeah, I get it. Russia is moving to secure a nation on its border from vigilantes that started burning things, toppled the government seized the military and declared independence. And the West calls it an invasion as though Putin decided one day to go conquer the Ukraine, right out of the blue.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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