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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    See, the problem is, everybody but the US is nefarious.
    That is not true, it wasn't said, and no one believes it.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    I don't see Crimean independence as being something even the Crimeans want. This whole episode is predicated on Russian culture's preoccupation with pretending to be a major world power again, and the desire of ethnic Russians in Ukraine to remain part of the Russian orbit.



    It wasn't a conquest because we made no plans to formally (or even informally) incorporate the territory into our system of government.

    False. Do you think we were establishing an oligarchy, fascism, communism.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Of course we should be on the side of freedom; however, there has to be at least a discussion of what we're willing to do to secure Ukraine's freedom.
    There will be a great deal of discussion, much posturing, and then nothing.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Ukraine is a part of Europe and Putin himself signed a pact guaranteeing their sovereignty. This cannot be allowed to stand either.
    What can't be allowed to stand? Putin securing a country on his border that's inflamed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    confirmed on the BBC, Russia demand the surrender of the Crimea by 3am GMT.


    BBC News - Russia demands surrender of Ukraine's Crimea forces
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No I think you are....And Reagan is spinning in his grave with you invoking his name and words.
    In other words, you think Reagan was right, we should have tried to be a shinning city on a hill? I'd be delighted if I made Reagan spin in his grave, think you can do that?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Because we don't want major regional powers invading their neighbors at will, especially when we promised those neighbors protection in return for disarmament.
    Unless its the US invading at will. Then its just fine.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Part of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.
    The country is split 50/50. This is nothing more than partisans making up something else to criticise Obama for, when they know damn well, there's nothing he can or should do to stop Russia from protecting their interests on their border.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Slippery slope arguments rarely work.
    Exactly. A country on Russia's border, that they have physical assets in, falls into chaos, the government is toppled though there's a 50/50 split in loyalty, Russia moves in to stabilise things, and suddenly he's "invading", "attacking" and is in the process of annexing all his old neighbours again! At the same time, the US can invade and occupy countries over a decade, and that's just fine!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That is not true, it wasn't said, and no one believes it.
    How is it that Russia securing a country on its border, in which 50% of its citizens are loyal to it, is acting nefarious?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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