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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You go with that hot mic, I'll go with No Drama Obama.

    I'll go with the current hot air from a dozen GOPs undercutting the President in a new crisis, just as with Syria.

    Too bad you didn't get Romney, this could have been his 3rd war, right after Iran and Syria.
    Syria... where Obama's Red Line Weaklingness has proven to be an invitation for Putin to smack Obama around again?

    Weakness invites aggression. Obama has made the world a dangerous place with his lame telepromteuring.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that under the current leadership of this country (or lack of) will bring any response that would significantly alter Russia's path in the Ukraine. And I agree that I don't want US troops used in that region. However, we can see that as the US weakens our stance on the world stage, more nefarious players like Russia are emboldened. Note; Russian war ship docked in Cuba, and Iran's naval force (such that it is) steaming a destroyer toward US waters. In times past there would have been serious thought as to provoking us like that. Now, not so much....And I don't agree that this is a good thing.
    See, the problem is, everybody but the US is nefarious.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Rationalizing the differences is how we let WWII happen.
    I see, so you are predicting Obama's inaction (whatever that means) is going to trigger WW111.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Breaking News Russia's Black Sea Fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 5:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday to surrender or face an all-out assault, according to Ukrainian defence ministry sources quoted by Interfax-Ukraine news agency. "If by 5am tomorrow morning they do not surrender a real assault will begin on units and sections of the Ukrainian armed forces all over Crimea," defence ministry officials are quoted as saying. So far there is no further confirmation of the ultimatum from other sources.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What a remarkable question!!!
    We'll see just how remarkable it is.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I believe we need to try to apply such pressure as we can, but if Crimea's people choose separation in their forthcoming "referendum," it will be a done deal. Crimea will be a Russian "protectorate" and there will be little that can be done about it.

    I like the autonomy within Ukraine concept and have also mentioned it elsewhere. My fear is that events are moving ahead so quickly that such an option will become impractical in the not so distant future, especially if the referendum takes place.

    To inhibit further acts similar to what took place, I strongly believe that the U.S. and NATO needs to fully integrate its East European members into the alliance and allocate a share of forces to those areas for purposes of establishing deterrence. Deterrence is far preferable to war.
    Khrushchev 'gave' the Crimea to the Ukraine in the 1950's. The Russians may just take it back and everyone will eventually settle on that. If Russia goes further into the Ukraine then some strong western leadership will have to emerge.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nobody is advocating war. But taking force off the table removes any and all leverage you have. If you rule out military action Putin just laughs in your face and does what he wants until someone actually provides military resistance.
    Oh, I see. Because Obama "said" force is off the table, that means force is off the table, right? Anyway, force cannot be on the table with Russia, A, your not pushing Russia over like you did Iraq and Libya, the US would have huge skin in the game just to try and prevent a country who's citizens are split 50/50 from going Russian, and secondly, if Obama put force on the table, and then didn't use it, you'd bitch at him for that. Again, exactly what is it that you think Obama should be doing?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    See, the problem is, everybody but the US is nefarious.
    Not everyone, just the nefarious ones....
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And, again, who will enforce this??
    Let the UN do its job, and provide the incentive.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which is fine, but don't then pretend to speak for international situations.
    Everybody here is speaking for international situations, think your special? Point being, it will be Russia that decides whether or not any forthcoming sanctions constitute an act of war, not you!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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