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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Illegally. Without the required approval of the Constitutional Court. Now they're also ousting Judges from the Constitutional Court. One branch of government does not have the right to bully the other two, and we should not be supporting this type of un-democratic behavior. The rightful government of the Ukraine is headed by their "ousted" President.
    The bill that ousted the President was due for court review (among another important review).

    And then he fled the country, seen by many in Ukraine as abandonment of his post. I don't think this is unreasonable. Most importantly, an unconstitutional act by a government doesn't mean that any more powerful neighbor should be allowed to invade the country, even at the behest of some of that countries citizens. That's simply nonsense.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    The bill that ousted the President was due for court review (among another important review).

    And then he fled the country, seen by many in Ukraine as abandonment of his post. I don't think this is unreasonable. Most importantly, an unconstitutional act by a government doesn't mean that any more powerful neighbor should be allowed to invade the country, even at the behest of some of that countries citizens. That's simply nonsense.
    Due for court review does not equal approved.

    Which part of the Ukrainian Constitution allows a President's deposition if "many" see him as having abandoned his post? If the rightful President objects, I'll consider the Russian move unjust.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    The bill that ousted the President was due for court review (among another important review).

    And then he fled the country, seen by many in Ukraine as abandonment of his post. I don't think this is unreasonable. Most importantly, an unconstitutional act by a government doesn't mean that any more powerful neighbor should be allowed to invade the country, even at the behest of some of that countries citizens. That's simply nonsense.
    Crimea is so complicated that we may go around it as long as we can and we still can't get a result.
    It is no sense to invade Ukraine, I agree.
    But Crimea isn't Ukraine.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Due for court review does not equal approved.



    Which part of the Ukrainian Constitution allows a President's deposition if "many" see him as having abandoned his post? If the rightful President objects, I'll consider the Russian move unjust.
    So only in the case that a single man objects to an invasion, do you consider that invasion unjust? The question here is whether Ukraine's government ought to be in charge of their foreign policy. Illegal ouster or not, the answer is a definite yes. Your claim that "armed rebels" are now running the country is simply false.

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    Crimea is so complicated that we may go around it as long as we can and we still can't get a result.
    It is no sense to invade Ukraine, I agree.
    But Crimea isn't Ukraine.
    Crimea very much is the Ukraine. Has been since the 50s.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    The issue will be that Russia will claim they were asked to intervene by the Russians majority in the Crimea. The Russians can also claim that the leader that was deposed by the anti-Russian forces in Ukraine is still the leader in the eyes of the Russians. The whole crux will be how the regions of Ukraine in which the Russians are the majority will act towards Kiev and if Kiev moves against that Russian minority (over the whole of the Ukraine even though in some regions they are the majority).
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Crimea will not be part of Russia and Putin will leave voluntarily or be shunned as a nation. Don 't underestimate the damage that would do. I doubt his regime will survive it.
    My guess is that Crimea will wind up as an independent entity under Russian protection. I could be wrong, but that seems to be the most likely course things will go.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    So only in the case that a single man objects to an invasion, do you consider that invasion unjust? The question here is whether Ukraine's government ought to be in charge of their foreign policy. Illegal ouster or not, the answer is a definite yes. Your claim that "armed rebels" are now running the country is simply false.



    Crimea very much is the Ukraine. Has been since the 50s.
    If they're supporting the legitimate government with the approval of said government then their actions are just. Frankly I think that they're exercising an excess of restraint and that they should move into the whole of the Ukraine and restore the proper constitutional order.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    If they're supporting the legitimate government with the approval of said government then their actions are just. Frankly I think that they're exercising an excess of restraint and that they should move into the whole of the Ukraine and restore the proper constitutional order.
    A single president does not a "legitimate government" make.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    A single president does not a "legitimate government" make.
    He's the head of state. Is there anyone else more qualified to make military decisions on behalf of the Ukraine?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    If they're supporting the legitimate government with the approval of said government then their actions are just. Frankly I think that they're exercising an excess of restraint and that they should move into the whole of the Ukraine and restore the proper constitutional order.
    LOL And what about the pact Puitin signed to protect the sovereignty of the ENTIRE Ukraine? Can the Messiah just wave his hand and make that go away?

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