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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well then whose to say the tyrants aren't the EU in this case?
    Anyone who understands that advocating closer ties to a country diplomatically isn't anything close to tyranny.

    Military invasions though? I think those count.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Russia didn't wanted US to invade/attack Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan as well. But it did happen.
    What exactly is your point here? Russia was certainly in no position to do anything about those invasions. Are you saying that we hurt Russia's feelings so they have a right to hurt ours too, that we should just accept? An odd way of looking at geopolitics, that.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Busybodies, treason-enablers, aggressors, etc. Take your pick.
    or democratic, law abiding, NATO members?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Here's a very thought-provoking article that gives another way of thinking about this crisis. There's a lot of sense in it. I'm trying to work out whether I agree with its conclusions.

    The Ukraine crisis: John Kerry and Nato must calm down and back off | Jonathan Steele | Comment is free | The Guardian
    Kerry's rush to punish Russia and Nato's decision to respond to Kiev's call by holding a meeting of member states' ambassadors in Brussels today were mistakes. Ukraine is not part of the alliance, so none of the obligations of common defence come into play. Nato should refrain from interfering in Ukraine by word or deed. The fact that it insists on getting engaged reveals the elephant in the room: underlying the crisis in Crimea and Russia's fierce resistance to potential changes is Nato's undisguised ambition to continue two decades of expansion into what used to be called "post-Soviet space", led by Bill Clinton and taken up by successive administrations in Washington. At the back of Pentagon minds, no doubt, is the dream that a US navy will one day replace the Russian Black Sea fleet in the Crimean ports of Sevastopol and Balaclava.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Not unless the EU who make up 26 members of Nato are sending tanks, men and planes into Kiev to protect their interests.
    Which they won't. Although, there once was hope for such a mighty unity representing the best in mankind, it is now less than a paper tiger, whose members love playing soldier, but can not perform. Even if they could muster a defense and show up in Ukraine, which again, they won't, I do not think they are prepared for a return to the horrible land war conditions as existed on the Eastern Front during WW2. The Russians are, as Germans still remember.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Not unless the EU who make up 26 members of Nato are sending tanks, men and planes into Kiev to protect their interests.
    Not all 26 members have tanks & planes to send to Kiev.
    NATO is weak since a long time.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Anyone who understands that advocating closer ties to a country diplomatically isn't anything close to tyranny.

    Military invasions though? I think those count.



    What exactly is your point here? Russia was certainly in no position to do anything about those invasions. Are you saying that we hurt Russia's feelings so they have a right to hurt ours too, that we should just accept? An odd way of looking at geopolitics, that.
    Taking control through coups is really similar to force in my book.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Anyone who understands that advocating closer ties to a country diplomatically isn't anything close to tyranny.

    Military invasions though? I think those count.



    What exactly is your point here? Russia was certainly in no position to do anything about those invasions. Are you saying that we hurt Russia's feelings so they have a right to hurt ours too, that we should just accept? An odd way of looking at geopolitics, that.
    So America was being tyrannical to England during WWII?

    The point is the that we're being flaming hypocrites.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Which they won't. Although, there once was hope for such a mighty unity representing the best in mankind, it is now less than a paper tiger, whose members love playing soldier, but can not perform. Even if they could muster a defense and show up in Ukraine, which again, they won't, I do not think they are prepared for a return to the horrible land war conditions as existed on the Eastern Front during WW2. The Russians are, as Germans still remember.
    I don't think many countries have the stomach to fight the Russians and Putin knows it.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So America was being tyrannical to England during WWII?

    The point is the that we're being flaming hypocrites.

    No because America didn't invade England they were invited and used England as a forward operating base for the invasion of Nazi Europe...Awful analogy
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    or democratic, law abiding, NATO members?
    Which law authorizes one branch of a government to conduct a coup d'etat against the others?

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