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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Sure it is, and we've picked one, even if we're being weak-kneed about it.
    We need to stay out of it, but I do agree that they have picked a side.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's not up to the US to pick sides.
    It's not? Why would you think that?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's not? Why would you think that?
    Why should the US choose which direction Ukraine goes?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why should the US choose which direction Ukraine goes?
    Because we don't want major regional powers invading their neighbors at will, especially when we promised those neighbors protection in return for disarmament.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Because we don't want major regional powers invading their neighbors at will, especially when we promised those neighbors protection in return for disarmament.
    Part of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    It doesn't matter if this part of Ukraine is more Russian etc. It's the principle of the matter we just can't have Russia annexing countries based on the presumption they are wanted there. What's stopping them taking Kazakhstan next or any other of the former Soviet satellite states and before we know it we are peering from behind another iron curtain.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    It doesn't matter if this part of Ukraine is more Russian etc. It's the principle of the matter we just can't have Russia annexing countries based on the presumption they are wanted there. What's stopping them taking Kazakhstan next or any other of the former Soviet satellite states and before we know it we are peering from behind another iron curtain.
    Slippery slope arguments rarely work.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Why are we aligned with a government which came to power through coup d'etat?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Part of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.
    And parts of Austria and Czechoslovakia wanted to be with Germany in the first half of the 20th century. That doesn't mean that we should allow those countries to be invaded.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Slippery slope arguments rarely work.
    Why is that? If we learned anything from the 20th century its that you have to hold an aggressive line against tyrants otherwise they will keep pushing you.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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