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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That's not what the Ukrainian Govt. and the rest of the world is saying. They left Georgia and they will leave Crimea too.
    What they wanted in Georgia was nothing more than to flex their muscles and perhaps expand their influence. Crimea is Russian, and there's no reason they won't take it.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    What they wanted in Georgia was nothing more than to flex their muscles and perhaps expand their influence. Crimea is Russian, and there's no reason they won't take it.
    They signed a treaty saying they would not. I think that is enough of a reason don't you? You don't agree with Putin on this do you?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

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    You thought Reagan was full of **** about that huh?
    No I think you are....And Reagan is spinning in his grave with you invoking his name and words.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They signed a treaty saying they would not. I think that is enough of a reason don't you? You don't agree with Putin on this do you?
    Crimea called itself the Russian troops.
    It's not the same case as Georgia.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Try the House caucus.
    Democratic Rep. Travis Childers from Mississippi voted against the ACA.
    Once again, mister v speaks with forked tongue .
    Whatever. Did it pass with only democrat support? If so my position remains correct.
    How many Republicans voted for the monstrosity?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They signed a treaty saying they would not. I think that is enough of a reason don't you? You don't agree with Putin on this do you?
    They signed a treaty saying they would not intervene in the Ukraine.

    I think that ship has sailed.

    Agree with Putin on what? I don't think Russia should be allowed to invade it's neighbors at will, if that's what you're asking.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Former Rep. Childers has more integrity than that.
    This is why he is a BlueDog with a decent chance to be competitive in the Mississippi Senate race.
    All democrats are frauds. But one must fool the people, right?

    It sure does matter.
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    It does not matter. Only winning the Article stands any chance of fixing what is wrong with the nation.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Russia is a big seller of crude oil and natural gas. Russia also has access to the global markets. The EU almost certainly won't sanction Russia's oil and natural gas sales, as it would have a large energy gap to fill. Russia's growing trade from China also won't be impacted.

    Also, we agree that Putin is not stupid. I don't see him going beyond Crimea unless other events precipitated such a move. One example might be other sections in Ukraine trying to break away and Ukraine's using force to try to quash the separation. Another might involve some kind of Ukrainian military effort to try to reassert control over Crimea (a reckless gamble that would be certain to fail).
    That is a sound assessment of the situation. There is a lot more involved here than asking and proclaiming who is the good guy and who is the bad guy? Regardless of what I might personally think of Putin and the Russians, I can not let any my feelings get in the way of what I know is really going on. Right now, I see the ball is really in the court of the more extremist elements in this most recent revolt in Ukraine, and their new government will have to come to terms with them before it need worry about the Russians. Instead of constantly chastising Putin, we need to pray that he works with Obama and is also able to contain the nationalist fervor within his own ranks. In all of the challenges of the last couple of decades, I see this one as being the match that lights the powder keg of a most horrible exchange, begun by miscalculation, should cooler heads not prevail.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    It's not up to the US to pick sides.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's not up to the US to pick sides.
    Sure it is, and we've picked one, even if we're being weak-kneed about it.

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