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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You do see the difference between Hitler's move and Putin though don't you?
    Rationalizing the differences is how we let WWII happen.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Preferences don't rewrite history. We DID make those assurances.



    In which case you should look up the word "conquest".



    Putin is in the process of conquering parts of the Ukraine. He certainly has designs on Europe, and he's acting on those designs right this second.



    These are fantastic pretexts, except this isn't all they're using. Russian nationalism is the predominant pretext. These territories are largely Russian speaking, and thus should be under Russian control, by their thinking.

    You'll recognize this pretext if you study 19th and 20th century European history.
    Perhaps you should look up the definition of conquest, simply, its the act of taking control of a people/country through the use of force, which we have done as recently as the last administration. You want to say that because we left a decade latter it wasn't a conquest?

    Putin is securing a country in civil unrest in which he has physical assets, a country on his border. It makes complete sense. Here's something else for you that makes complete sense. The US has smugly thrown its weight around for far too long, not just big powers like Russia and China are pushing back. Little powers like Venezuela and Bolivia, Ecuador, are as well. And more and more Americans are changing their minds about it, thankfully. If you think engaging Putin militarily over the plight of the Ukraine, is a good idea, YOU write a check and then put on your uniform and go give your life for that **** and leave my sons out of it!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Rationalizing the differences is how we let WWII happen.
    Ok jmo, are you too advocating we engage Putin on the battlefield?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that under the current leadership of this country (or lack of) will bring any response that would significantly alter Russia's path in the Ukraine. And I agree that I don't want US troops used in that region. However, we can see that as the US weakens our stance on the world stage, more nefarious players like Russia are emboldened. Note; Russian war ship docked in Cuba, and Iran's naval force (such that it is) steaming a destroyer toward US waters. In times past there would have been serious thought as to provoking us like that. Now, not so much....And I don't agree that this is a good thing.

    How do you feel current compares to the previous admin when handling Russia?

    Recall the damage done to Georgia, in which nothing but sharp words were said
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    I wish I knew how to speak Russian. How much fun it would be to be a fly on the wall an listen to Putin chat with his friends about Obama's manhood.
    America is in (has been) in decline for sometime now. This isn't all about Obama. Russia and China both have been backing the US up. It's not going to end. You another one that thinks we should engage the Russian military just to prove a point. Just to prove that we're the tuff kid on the block?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How do you feel current compares to the previous admin when handling Russia?

    Recall the damage done to Georgia, in which nothing but sharp words were said
    Partisans don't criticise their own. Even when they are wrong.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How do you feel current compares to the previous admin when handling Russia?

    Recall the damage done to Georgia, in which nothing but sharp words were said
    What happened with Bush is irrelevant, but if you really want to go down that road, Bush pushed hard for Georgia to get into the EU, conversely, Obama is silent on this matter for Ukraine....
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Partisans don't criticise their own. Even when they are wrong.
    You oughtta know.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    The EU is struggling, why would anyone want in.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You oughtta know.
    Really! You've watch me criticise both Bush and Obama, so what are you talking about?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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