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Thread: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Here's one link to show how much I'm lying.


    John McCain Wants To Push The United States Into A Full Scale War With Russia
    But shoot the messenger, not the message.
    And there's plenty of links out there calling for a 2nd Cold War--coming right up .
    That's not the link we were discussing. You are compounding your previous lie with yet another silly lie. Why do you bother doing this?

    Are you Montecresto's evil twin?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So GOPs calling for a new Cold war is not War.
    What comes after a Cold War CalGun?
    Top Republicans Call for Return to Cold War - The Daily Beast
    GOPs have one set of talking points, Cold War and Hot War.
    Since righties are so quick to fling the LIE word around, eat this crow .
    You claim that two Republicans are calling for war and now you've enlarged that to include the entire Republican Party. You are not making sense.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    GOP senators seek trade actions against Russia - Eric Bradner - POLITICO.com
    At the beginning of this article, Rubio specifically calls for an end to all talks on anything except the Ukraine.
    Sever trade talks with Russia.
    Kick Russia out of international organizations.
    Suspend Russia from the World Trade Organization.
    Suspend Russia from the United Nations Security council.

    Most objective posters on dp would say this is a good way to start a war.
    Aren't you glad Rubio and Cruz put their own personal ambitions above those of their Nation?
    Do you really believe Russia would start a war with the United States??

    Even with Obama in charge they would never do that. Putin is making his moves only because Obama is weak and ineffective.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Sending supplies would do absolutely nothing. I don't think Ukrainian soldiers will even try to stand up to Russian forces, whatever armaments we give them.

    Mobilizing American naval and air forces is the only meaningful thing we can do to show Russia that we mean business, and to show the Ukrainian military that they aren't alone if war breaks out. This, I think, would stiffen Ukrainian resolve and weaken Russian resolve, enough that Russia withdraws.

    Will that happen? Almost certainly not. Russia will come out on top in this, I think.

    So much for winning the Cold War.
    If every free nation, without the support of the US, sent missions to the Ukraine offering financial and moral assistance then I believe it would make a difference. The free world has depended on the US for too long and should regroup to fill the void created by Obama, or someone else will.

    The US failed to win in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and now even the Cold War has resumed, though on a much smaller scale so far.. When Putin called the collapse of the Soviet Union "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the (20th) century" we should certainly know where he is coming from.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    MAD has kept the peace in Europe for half a century. Call this a crazy idea but if you want real world peace then every country, no matter how small, should be armed with hundreds of nukes, that way nobody would be dumb enough to start a war with one another.
    That would depend on their ideology.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If every free nation, without the support of the US, sent missions to the Ukraine offering financial and moral assistance then I believe it would make a difference.
    "Making a difference" covers a lot of ground. It may give the Ukrainians confidence in their moral position, but "financial and moral assistance" don't stop the largest tank army in the world.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    "Making a difference" covers a lot of ground. It may give the Ukrainians confidence in their moral position, but "financial and moral assistance" don't stop the largest tank army in the world.
    You may be right but it also seems that Putin wants the respect of the rest of the world, as we have seen from his promotion of the Olympic games held there. Of course he dismisses Obama but would he risk the moral wrath of all the other democracies? I'm not so sure. In any case it would be a good effort for the free world, apart from the US, to commit to.

    Canada threatens sanctions if Russia disrupts peace in Ukraine as U.S. warns sending troops would be ‘grave mistake’ | National Post

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I agree with you, EU should take the lead and I feel the US should stay out of it since personally I am politically an advocate for non-interventionism but however we did sign that treaty with them so you know...
    Hmm, Bill Clinton signed the treaty so we should send him with a couple boxes of cigars.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you really believe Russia would start a war with the United States??

    Even with Obama in charge they would never do that. Putin is making his moves only because Obama is weak and ineffective.
    Since there's more than one Ukraine thread, I'm not sure if this is the one I added a comment to several days ago or not. My point was that the leaked conversation...which has gone almost completely unreported in MSM between Victoria Nuland and the U.S. ambassador to the Ukraine, gave us some candid insight into the scheming and plotting against the Yanukovitch Government at the time. Like it or not, he was the elected president of the Ukraine, who was removed by mob action...sort of like Morsi in Egypt. From my own limited awareness of the goings on in the Ukraine, Russia is the country with a vested interest in what goes on there...not the U.S.! Russia has that large naval base in Crimea...an autonomous territory that is mostly Russian and was added to the Ukraine by the Soviet Government in the 1950's.

    If we can make a quick comparison: look at how the U.S. is propping up a ruthless potentate in the U.S. client state of Bahrain....a despot who even sent military forces into hospitals to shoot doctors and patients...without getting his name added to the list of bad actors in the ME and subject for regime change. Why? Because he gets the oil out of the ground and to western markets, and he hosts the largest U.S. naval base in the ME. What would the U.S. be willing to do to maintain the continued operation of that base? I would guess, just about anything...legal, illegal...at any cost. And yet, we're supposed to take idiot U.S. warhawks and chicken hawks seriously, as they keep rattling the cage of the beast who still has about 8000 nuclear warheads! The Neocon warhawks, who are so addicted to money from military procurements, would risk nuclear annihilation, to make a few more bucks selling their war toys and finding new wars to justify their existence and continued production!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You may be right but it also seems that Putin wants the respect of the rest of the world, as we have seen from his promotion of the Olympic games held there. Of course he dismisses Obama but would he risk the moral wrath of all the other democracies? I'm not so sure. In any case it would be a good effort for the free world, apart from the US, to commit to.

    Canada threatens sanctions if Russia disrupts peace in Ukraine as U.S. warns sending troops would be ‘grave mistake’ | National Post
    Seems like a long time ago now...but Canada used to have an independent government! Now, we have a Conservative toady who asks the President how high to jump!
    Why should our nastiness be the baggage of an apish past and our kindness uniquely human? Why should we not seek continuity with other animals for our "noble" traits as well?
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