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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I believe Canada and the U.S. should at least be sending supplies to the Ukrainian military. We can't just let Russia roll over the Ukraine.
    Sending supplies would do absolutely nothing. I don't think Ukrainian soldiers will even try to stand up to Russian forces, whatever armaments we give them.

    Mobilizing American naval and air forces is the only meaningful thing we can do to show Russia that we mean business, and to show the Ukrainian military that they aren't alone if war breaks out. This, I think, would stiffen Ukrainian resolve and weaken Russian resolve, enough that Russia withdraws.

    Will that happen? Almost certainly not. Russia will come out on top in this, I think.

    So much for winning the Cold War.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right.

    Toe to toe nuclear combat is lots of fun, eh?
    MAD has kept the peace in Europe for half a century. Call this a crazy idea but if you want real world peace then every country, no matter how small, should be armed with hundreds of nukes, that way nobody would be dumb enough to start a war with one another.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    In all fairness since you intentionally misrepresented the position of these men and LIED to the posters on DP you shouldn't even mention their names. I know when I catch someone in a flat lie like you I just ignore them from there on out.


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    No diplomat would suggest the Rubio/Cruz laundry list of lunacy, except one who wanted war .

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Sending supplies would do absolutely nothing. I don't think Ukrainian soldiers will even try to stand up to Russian forces, whatever armaments we give them.

    Mobilizing American naval and air forces is the only meaningful thing we can do to show Russia that we mean business, and to show the Ukrainian military that they aren't alone if war breaks out. This, I think, would stiffen Ukrainian resolve and weaken Russian resolve, enough that Russia withdraws.

    Will that happen? Almost certainly not. Russia will come out on top in this, I think.

    So much for winning the Cold War.
    I can't believe you think this is all our fight since the Ukraine is right on Europe's doorstep. Saber rattling will only inflame the situation. NATO needs to make a statement and sanctions agreed upon. The best way to get to Putin is in his pocketbook and a embargo on Russian oil and natural gas will strangle the beast. This is not the USSR of the 1960's.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Can't say that he isn't trying to get those powers, isn't he? But that is not what makes a strong leader, and Obama doesn't have it. Reagan, Bush(s), even Clinton had the world's respect. Obama sowed the seeds for this way back on his apology tour and when Putin walked all over him when he sold out Poland. Remember his little groveling "I'll have more flexibility after the election"? Kind of sad, disgraceful, and bad for America. And now people are suffering because of it.
    Like the Georgians suffered when Russia invaded them while GW Bush was occupied in Iraq? Obama will handle this far better than that moron did.

    Earlier in the day, Russian premier Vladimir Putin raised the stakes over the conflict by lashing out at the U.S. as the fighting continued to escalate in the region.

    The Russian prime minister rejected calls from Georgia for a ceasefire and declared that his country would pursue its mission to its 'logical conclusion'.

    A day after a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush in Beijing who expressed 'grave concern', Mr Putin accused the U.S. of siding with Georgia by ferrying Georgian troops from Iraq to the battle zone. 'It is a shame that some of our partners are not helping us but, essentially, are hindering us,' said Mr Putin. 'The very scale of this cynicism is astonishing.'
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I can't believe you think this is all our fight since the Ukraine is right on Europe's doorstep.
    Ukraine IS Europe, and if I believed Europe to be politically capable of dealing with this issue I would see things differently.

    But Europe is barely politically capable of holding together what amounts to little more than a free trade agreement.

    Like modern America, Europe is far more likely to cede either swathes of Ukrainian territory to Russia or political control of Ukraine to pro-Russians. They won't fight for Ukraine.

    Saber rattling will only inflame the situation. NATO needs to make a statement and sanctions agreed upon.
    Sanctions would be more harmful for European members of NATO than they would be for Russia. Any serious sanctions will gain no political traction in Europe. Even if they did, I think that Putin really thinks that he can make Russia a real player in global politics again, and who knows what he's willing to risk for that vision.

    Regarding inflammation of the situation, allowing Russia to invade it's neighbors without any serious action taken against them is really what'll inflame the situation. The Russians need to come to understand that they'll never have the same geopolitical influence they once did. Only then can the situation really cool down.

    The best way to get to Putin is in his pocketbook and a embargo on Russian oil and natural gas will strangle the beast.
    If "the beast" is what little remains of European unity, sure.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    As you continue to ignore my posts of the lunacy coming from TEA-loons by responding to more of my posts.
    Apparently, TEAs in the Senate you support, such as Cruz and Rubio,
    put themselves above the good of the Nation by conducting their own foreign policy.
    But nice try with the LIE word anyway .
    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    In all fairness since you intentionally misrepresented the position of these men and LIED to the posters on DP you shouldn't even mention their names. I know when I catch someone in a flat lie like you I just ignore them from there on out.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Ukraine IS Europe, and if I believed Europe to be politically capable of dealing with this issue I would see things differently.

    But Europe is barely politically capable of holding together what amounts to little more than a free trade agreement.

    Like modern America, Europe is far more likely to cede either swathes of Ukrainian territory to Russia or political control of Ukraine to pro-Russians. They won't fight for Ukraine.
    Since you're using false equivalency for zero good options for Obama because he is Obama, what is your opinion on Ukraine ?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Context View Post
    Ukraine IS Europe, and if I believed Europe to be politically capable of dealing with this issue I would see things differently.

    But Europe is barely politically capable of holding together what amounts to little more than a free trade agreement.

    Like modern America, Europe is far more likely to cede either swathes of Ukrainian territory to Russia or political control of Ukraine to pro-Russians. They won't fight for Ukraine.



    Sanctions would be more harmful for European members of NATO than they would be for Russia. Any serious sanctions will gain no political traction in Europe. Even if they did, I think that Putin really thinks that he can make Russia a real player in global politics again, and who knows what he's willing to risk for that vision.

    Regarding inflammation of the situation, allowing Russia to invade it's neighbors without any serious action taken against them is really what'll inflame the situation. The Russians need to come to understand that they'll never have the same geopolitical influence they once did. Only then can the situation really cool down.



    If "the beast" is what little remains of European unity, sure.
    You still don't get it. This is not the USSR and without trade Russia will collapse in months and Putin knows it. He will also be booted out of the G8 if Russian troops don't withdraw. Economic sanctions are his weakness.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since you're using false equivalency for zero good options for Obama because he is Obama, what is your opinion on Ukraine ?
    Assuming you mean my opinion on what should be done, I think I've given it. Mobilize American naval and air forces to show the Russians and Ukrainians both precisely where we stand.

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