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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    I love these types of maps, with political science broken down categorically and using math.
    My first thought was West and East Germany.
    If I were a History teacher this week, this would be an ongoing current affairs topic.
    And learning World Geography would be an intended consequence .
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    That is the language issue...

    And the last election



    The blue areas are the areas voting for the guy that just got kicked out and the yellow areas are for the woman that just got released from jail.

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    Blue areas for the guy who just got kicked out I believe (pro Russian)..

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'll have to go back and note that.
    He's been on his game today as have many other concerned Europeans on our board.
    I'm listening to talk of boycotting the G-8 in Russia in June, as with what Russia did in Georgia.
    That would be petty, but the USA did have a terrorist attack from Georgia residents.
    The problem with Russia invading is that they'll have to possibly, fight the Ukrainian military. Not that it will be a match, but it would put added pressure on the West to react if it were an extended blood bath. Personally, I don't like this kind of event because of the potential to spiral, quickly.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, help the Ukraine. US is a signatory of that. Question is what faction leader is the true leader of the Ukraine right now. And Ukraine is part of many NATO programs. Ukraine provides peace keepers for NATO lead operations, see Iraq and Afghanistan. Ukrainian military is educated in the structures of NATO militaries and have been for the last 4 years taking part in joint exercises. NATO hasn't offered full membership (that unbreakable guarantee) but NATO still has the offer on the table for Ukraine to join. Ukraine's former leadership refused to join NATO a few years back due to his Russian ties.
    Oh, no question. The situation is submerged in the fog of war. But it was predictable and the fog isn't that heavy. Remember Georgia? That should have been a warning. But Putin played his hand well and the EU prepared the way to cessation. Too bad.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Ukraine pleads for Britain and US to come to its rescue as Russia accused of 'invasion' - Telegraph

    Paramilitary proxy warfare or will this continue to escalate?[/FONT]
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    Perhaps the Ukrainians can make the claim they are Moooslems and that they need an "Arab" Spring. Our boy president will get a hardon and send far more people to help the Islamist Ukrainians then he sent to help Ambassador Stevens and Obama's Four Murdered Americans in Benghazi.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Perhaps the Ukrainians can make the claim they are Moooslems and that they need an "Arab" Spring. Our boy president will get a hardon and send far more people to help the Islamist Ukrainians then he sent to help Ambassador Stevens and Obama's Four Murdered Americans in Benghazi.
    Oh come on now... you know that Benghazi mess was all made up by Fox news!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I agree with you, EU should take the lead and I feel the US should stay out of it since personally I am politically an advocate for non-interventionism but however we did sign that treaty with them so you know...
    Treaties are only legitimate if they infringe on an American's right to keep and bear arms.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I haven't read the treaty- does it say we will go to war if the Ukraine declares itself compromised? If anything the Russians are violating the treaty as they signed on to 'protect' the Ukraine's territory as well.

    Not the same as the Sudetenland. In the Crimea, Russia has considered it Russian since the wars with the Turks. Charge of the Light Brigade and all that. Russia has maintained military bases in the Crimea for centuries- Germany had not in the Sudetenland. Russia seizing land from Finland would be a better comp for pre-WWII Germany.

    But as best anyone can tell there is no land grab as in Georgia, but securing the lifelines back to Mother Russia. If Russian troops seal the penn and pour divisions into Crimea...THEN it is an invasion.
    And Iraq considered that Kuwait was its 19th Province.

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    Nothing to see here. Peace in out Time. Move along.

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    It seems to me that Russia is beefing up it's presence in Crimea because it has substantial assets and interests there. Russian military bases dot the Crimean peninsula. Who knows what organizations the people who nabbed the airport and ministry are, but until that becomes clear, we should not resort to too much speculation.

    It doesn't seem like an invasion is taking place, and the territorial incursions are designed to secure Russian assets that Ukraine has allowed to operate via legal lease etc. So I don't think the context of the treaty has reached a tipping point. The gov't in Kiev can diffuse the situation if it shows some leadership and avoids provocation itself. This is something to watch carefully, however.
    Yeah, that is what the world said about Poland.

    until the joint Invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 at the onset of World War II.
    Fortunately the Russians are cutting their Army down to only 350,000 troops to match what our dolt, I mean president, intends to do to ours. Am I wrong?

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    Re: Nothing to see here. Peace in out Time. Move along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yeah, that is what the world said about Poland.

    until the joint Invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 at the onset of World War II.
    Fortunately the Russians are cutting their Army down to only 350,000 troops to match what our dolt, I mean president, intends to do to ours. Am I wrong?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I love these types of maps, with political science broken down categorically and using math.
    My first thought was West and East Germany.
    If I were a History teacher this week, this would be an ongoing current affairs topic.
    And learning World Geography would be an intended consequence .
    Actually it looks like the US. Coasts are held by socialists and the fly-over country remains American held.

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