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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Because of your longevity here and our previous discussions, I will rethink my final blast, and omit Cheney.

    As I say, each new event in foreign policy begins with the neocons wanting war, as with McCain,
    and the isolationist/libertarians wanting us to stay out; and the GOP partisans slamming Obama .
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As I say, each new event in foreign policy begins with the neocons wanting war, as with McCain,
    and the isolationist/libertarians wanting us to stay out; and the GOP partisans slamming Obama .
    I'm not sure what neocon means these days. It once meant an interventionist libertarian, but it seems to mean an interventionist republican lately.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't see a lot of difference between the Middle East and the Balkan States.
    Seems to be the cradle of unrest in the World, with overlapping cultures .
    Russia was having too many problems, at that time, to get anymore involved in the Balkan wars.
    All these proxy conflicts with them thru other nations are one thing, but actually controlling a former border territory, that they rely on for revenue and security, ain't happening, anymore than Cuba loaded with Russian nukes.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    I fixed my post on Cheney.
    I much prefer the 'No Drama Obama' doctrine though.

    This seems to be a real problem for the EU bringing in Ukraine.

    As you say, it's hard to keep up with the malleable wings of the GOP, and I'll add the DEMs as well.
    DEMs are by no means cohesive on several important topics right now, such as NSA/drones, Keystone, trade pact, guns, farm bill and the rest.
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    I'm not sure what neocon means these days. It once meant an interventionist libertarian, but it seems to mean an interventionist republican lately.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not sure what neocon means these days. It once meant an interventionist libertarian, but it seems to mean an interventionist republican lately.
    Neocon HAS no mean. Its meant to be a slam on republican warhawks. It is ignored when those clamoring for war are people like say Clinton, all the elected dems that voted for action against Saddam and in Afghanistan, and the long line of liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria (right before Putin turned him out and made him his bitch).

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    and the long line of liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria (right before Putin turned him out and made him his bitch).
    This is such a load of garbage.

    Almost nobody supported unilateral action against Syria because the evidence was so flimsy.

    Very few liberals on here supported any action based on the alleged gas attack.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Neocon HAS no mean. Its meant to be a slam on republican warhawks.
    Apache calls neo-cons former liberals who switched to the GOP side.
    It is ignored when those clamoring for war are people like say Clinton, all the elected dems that voted for action against Saddam and in Afghanistan
    With faulty intelligence from the last administration.
    and the long line of liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria (right before Putin turned him out and made him his bitch).
    One of those liberals supporting Obama's war drums in Syria you speak of is
    GOP Rep. Tom Cotton from Arkansas, currently leading Sen. Pryor .
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's a civil war in the making.
    Most countries have aspects that is a "civil war in the making".. even the US and UK.

    If we thought the ME was bad, this is potentially way worse.
    Not really, there is no cross religious aspect in this and the winner is a given.. Russia.

    It is easy to predict. Any country near Ukraine wont get involved because they dont want to piss off the Russians, and the US and western allies can shout at the moon as much as they want, but they have a massive logistics problem if they want aid any Ukrainian movement. The Russians control the Black Sea and the countries around the Ukraine wont allow transit.. so forget it.

    Plus why do we care? Yes the Ukraine has the potential of being the breadbasket of the planet but other than that.. why do we care? Russia is going to do what they want, they have the money and willpower and unless you want a global war over this.. then there is not much we can do.

    And lets not forget in most cases we have the choice between a Russian mafia puppet that is utterly corrupt or an Ukrainian dictator that might be more friendly towards the west, but will be just as corrupt. Remember the Orange revolution? Well they won, and the people who took over were later thrown in jail for... massive corruption... and now we have the same scenario.

    We best keep out of this mess if you ask me.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Obama is weak. The world knows this. Putin has been kicking his ass all over the school yard and taking his lunch money. This jerk is killing us. This would not have happened if Bush was in office. Oh, I can't wait for some dumb liberal to post about how strong Obama is and that Putin will back down. C'mon libs, tell us how Obama will save the day! He sucks.
    Bush was in office when the same thing happened in Georgia, with possibly even less justification on Russia's part, and Bush essentially could do nothing. So no, Bush would not save the day here.

    Of course Obama is weak in this episode, any US President would be! There are very few ways to respond against Russia without inviting direct military conflict, which if I point you to 1945-1990 should remind you why that's a bad idea.

    The worst thing Obama could do would be to listen to right-wing accusations of weakness and make a futile, chest-beating response out of machismo, though I doubt that would happen because he has done well to not care what the right thinks of him for over 5 years now.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obama will lead from his behind once again. In fact, his speech was a leading from his behind moment.

    Funny... Sarah Palin called this years ago. Weakness invites aggression.
    Sarah Palin did not call this. She was responding directly to the Georgian crisis just after it happened, and it might have been the first time in her career she ever even thought about Russian foreign policy.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Russia will print the money. It has it's own currency. But this will short and quick. It's pretty easy to take over a country, harder part is holding it.
    And the EU would use its gas reserves and freeze the oligarchs assets. It certainly would not be easy to take over Ukraine. And there are a few regions in Russia that would take the opportunity to cause trouble.

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