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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you know more than Turley?
    Thank you! This the perhaps to most intelligent thing posted on this issue thus far. Unlike Anthony, you get it and know how to defend the position.

    Now, I wonder if you really know who Jonathan Turley really is, given you did not use his full name nor provide a link that outlines his position, but at least you cited a credible source that thinks Obama is playing out of bounds. Bear in mind, however, that Jonathan Turley is an outspoken critic of the imperial presidency. Although he has issues with Obama's use of executive power, he was also a very vocal critic of George W. Bush, also arguing George was way out of bounds on his use of signing statements, executive orders and violations of human rights (torture and detaining of persons without charge and/or trial).

    Unlike most people, Jonathan Turley has been consistent on an issue independent party. Its interesting he has suddenly appeared on Fox. Now that he is a liberal blasting Obama, he is a star on Fox. I doubt he ever got the red carpet treatment, much less an invite, when his issues were with GW Bush. That said, Turley has never advocated the impeachment of either Obama nor Bush... he is only questioning the imperial presidency.

    To be clear, however, my issue is not with Obama playing out of bounds, its with the outrage of some that feel that he is the only guy that has played out of bounds. The concept of the imperial presidency / unitary executive is not new (see links per my previous post)... I was challenging Anthony to show us how Obama was somehow different.... as I expected, he could not... as its clear that his command of the issue was shallow to non-existent.

    Thank you for at least giving us a substantive retort.... after all, this is DEBATE politics. Debate means you bring facts and expert opinion to the table when called to do so. You did so.

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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Jonathan Turley can and has pointed out how Obama is worse. Listen to what he has said. And if Obama supporters ignore it now as Bush supporters ignored it then, well then just as Obama has pushed it way past Bush's outrages, the next president will be pushing it past his. Whether he/she is a democrat or a republican. Oh, and just because other presidents have done it is a very lame reason to allow it to continue, now or ever.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Thank you! This the perhaps to most intelligent thing posted on this issue thus far. Unlike Anthony, you get it and know how to defend the position.

    Now, I wonder if you really know who Jonathan Turley really is, given you did not use his full name nor provide a link that outlines his position, but at least you cited a credible source that thinks Obama is playing out of bounds. Bear in mind, however, that Jonathan Turley is an outspoken critic of the imperial presidency. Although he has issues with Obama's use of executive power, he was also a very vocal critic of George W. Bush, also arguing George was way out of bounds on his use of signing statements, executive orders and violations of human rights (torture and detaining of persons without charge and/or trial).

    Unlike most people, Jonathan Turley has been consistent on an issue independent party. Its interesting he has suddenly appeared on Fox. Now that he is a liberal blasting Obama, he is a star on Fox. I doubt he ever got the red carpet treatment, much less an invite, when his issues were with GW Bush. That said, Turley has never advocated the impeachment of either Obama nor Bush... he is only questioning the imperial presidency.

    To be clear, however, my issue is not with Obama playing out of bounds, its with the outrage of some that feel that he is the only guy that has played out of bounds. The concept of the imperial presidency / unitary executive is not new (see links per my previous post)... I was challenging Anthony to show us how Obama was somehow different.... as I expected, he could not... as its clear that his command of the issue was shallow to non-existent.

    Thank you for at least giving us a substantive retort.... after all, this is DEBATE politics. Debate means you bring facts and expert opinion to the table when called to do so. You did so.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As usual The WaPo cherry picked, and left much out....Turley, no 'right winger' was far more in depth than they let on....



    He's right...What should be done is a select joint committee, to gather for impeachment, but this congress will not do that...So, I guess the fundamental change Obama spoke of is taking place...Bid America goodbye.
    I do not have a history of agreeing with you on much. But on this I do agree with you and Mr. Turley. Balance among the three branches of government is essential, and I believe that Bush and Obama both served to erode that balance. I also think that Congress has utterly failed to be a Congress of any merit. Blame lies all around in my opinion.

    I hate to see partisanship get in the way of critical discussion on the state of U.S. governance. But it seems we all want to blame somebody...just not "our guy."
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I do not have a history of agreeing with you on much. But on this I do agree with you and Mr. Turley. Balance among the three branches of government is essential, and I believe that Bush and Obama both served to erode that balance. I also think that Congress has utterly failed to be a Congress of any merit. Blame lies all around in my opinion.

    I hate to see partisanship get in the way of critical discussion on the state of U.S. governance. But it seems we all want to blame somebody...just not "our guy."
    I think you're right, plus on my side of things we have Boehner to contend with...Nothing will get done to circumvent this erosion, because he is a weak SoH.
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