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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    Apologies for the delay in answering, and thanks for the clarification. No answer needed for your "original" question. So, in answer to your clarified question would be "not at this time", but (always a but, eh) just under 11 months until the next SOTU.

    The reply about snotty had nothing to do with the question asked and was in regards to [Did you have something to contribute and expand my knowledge base?]. Granted, speaking face to face and reading the same in text form could have different interpretations.
    I suppose I thought the "I'll appreciate it" would show my sincerity and allow for language creativity. It's not the first time my penchant for drama has been misunderstood. So .

    I was dismayed at the threat made in the last SOTU specifically. Making threats in that forum seemed totally out of line. That is my opinion©. So I see a lot of attention given to EOs and I did not see anything that triggered it. I could have googled myself into confusion because it's easy to find things that have happened. But at some point, screw research, I figure I'll ask at a political forum where somebody better read than I am, would reveal their up to date knowledge.

    So, I got it. Not yet.

    Thanks.

    (OK. Just so you understand. I said "I was dismayed at the threat made..." That's pure dramatic bull****. I didn't actually break into tears or snarl "this country is going to the dogs, dad-blame it" Deep in my heart, at the very core of my existence, I actually don't give a rat's ass. So although what I say is true (or an opinion©) I do have a tendency to overstate my case in an effort to have fun. I'm harmless, really.)

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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Impeaching Obama would be kissing America good bye. It would be a total failure of our system to do such. You want total social unrest and race riots, try impeaching the first black president, especially over pettiness.... which, if you understand anything about president power and executive orders, you know this is (Obama has issued the fewest executive orders of any president since 1900). Though I do believe the Cons are stupid enough to try such a thing, they not so stupid as even hint at it before the election.

    The Cons should get busy with their job of governing.. Unfortunately, they have no vision, they have no plan, they have no leadership, they have no clue. All they know how to do is play petty politics.
    Impeachemnt does not have to be the end product. An EO Congress feels exceeds his powers can be challenged in court and overturned without the President having to be impeached.

    Impeachment proceding would require some infraction committed by the President to move forward...Congress hasn't even come up with that as of yet.

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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Impeachemnt does not have to be the end product. An EO Congress feels exceeds his powers can be challenged in court and overturned without the President having to be impeached.

    Impeachment proceding would require some infraction committed by the President to move forward...Congress hasn't even come up with that as of yet.
    The courts are as corrupt as the other 2 branches.

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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't give the House a pass, they can stop all spending bills in their tracks until a legitimate hearing is accepted by the Senate, if the Senate/Executive try to play games, the House can further slow or gut spending bills.
    You mean like they tried to do last year and the polls showed almost no backing for it?
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You mean like they tried to do last year and the polls showed almost no backing for it?
    Well, if they don't have enough spine to do what is needed unless polls support it then they are useless anyway.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, if they don't have enough spine to do what is needed unless polls support it then they are useless anyway.
    I see your point. But for me, even a spineless do nothing is better than a Dem being in those spots and spending money as if it grew on ever blooming trees.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's my understanding that Executive Orders are perfectly proper and meant to let the president tweak certain policies and procedures in order to allow proper enforcement/execution of Congressional legislation. If that's not what the President is doing? If Presidents are mis-using the power of these EO's? Then it's time Congress stepped up and challenged EOs as appropriate.

    You'll notice I said "Presidents." Obama is not the first President to use EO's. He won't be the last. Time for Congress to take a stand.
    Executive Orders Issued by President: Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index
    I just watched an interesting series on the history of the office of Pres of the US and according to this series the President and Congress have a long history of battling for power and many Presidents have been accused of "stretching" or even changing the boundaries of power that had been established by their predecessors. So, no it's nothing new.

    The accusation as I understand it is that Obama is using them in a way they have not been used but that accusation is nothing new either. So basically it seems he is discovering new loopholes like many many Presidents before him. Everyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong (ha ha as if I even needed to add that) Is terms of frequency of use this chart will show you how often they have been used by past Presidents ( Executive Orders)

    Frankly I think everyone is acting out the same hysteria they always have, whether it be from the right or the left.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree that Obama is not the first, but as Turley points out, it is Obama that has put this power on steroids and rapidly rendering congress a moot point....
    Did the depth of Turley's criticisms of BUSH escape you? He's right on Obama and he was right on Bush, but partisanship allows this **** to perpetuate and intensify.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I guess you are just not reading my post or choose to misunderstand. Keep the blinders on, that's the only way anyone can support what this guy & Congress are doing.
    You're funny! I support my position; even when challenged, you do (can) not. I have the blinders on? I think not. You failed to prove your assertion.

    I read your post. You offered one example of an EO you thought was egregious. You did not, however, show how this EO was any more egregious than the thousands that preceded it authored by previous presidents. Again, to make the statement that Obama is somehow out of control, you have to show us that either he has issued more EO's than most to all other presidents (and we know that is not true) OR show us that the nature or character of these EO's is somehow different, on that front, you have failed.

    Frankly, you have no case. I am sorry to challenge your distorted perception of the issue, but that is what it is. You are in a delusion that you chose not to emerge from.

    Next time you make an assertion, kindly support it with substance.
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    Re: Congress urged to challenge Obama’s executive actions

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You're funny! I support my position; even when challenged, you do (can) not. I have the blinders on? I think not. You failed to prove your assertion.

    I read your post. You offered one example of an EO you thought was egregious. You did not, however, show how this EO was any more egregious than the thousands that preceded it authored by previous presidents. Again, to make the statement that Obama is somehow out of control, you have to show us that either he has issued more EO's than most to all other presidents (and we know that is not true) OR show us that the nature or character of these EO's is somehow different, on that front, you have failed.
    Well, I guess there is no getting through to you on this. Why the predilection with EO's? You claim to have read my post, where I said I don't care if what he does is on EO or not, yet you go on with them. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a President can only be impeached if his wrongdoing is through EO's, yet you behave as if that is the case. Obviously, your tactic, as is the standard for liberals, is to try and stay away from what he has done, and focus on some insignificant point.
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