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Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

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Don't you just love the putrid smell of multiculturalism rotting out in the fields? American flags are now seen as a divisive symbol at American public schools:


Today’s Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School Dist. (9th Cir. Feb. 27, 2014) upholds a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. . . .

At least one party to this appeal, student M.D., wore American flag clothing to school on Cinco de Mayo 2009. M.D. was approached by a male student who, in the words of the district court, “shoved a Mexican flag at him and said something in Spanish expressing anger at [M.D.’s] clothing.

In the aftermath of the students’ departure from school, they received numerous threats from other students. D.G. was threatened by text message on May 6, and the same afternoon, received a threatening phone call from a caller saying he was outside of D.G.’s home. D.M. and M.D. were likewise threatened with violence, and a student at Live Oak overheard a group of classmates saying that some gang members would come down from San Jose to “take care of” the students. Because of these threats, the students did not go to school on May 7.

We hold that school officials, namely Rodriguez, did not act unconstitutionally, under either the First Amendment or Article I, § 2(a) of the California Constitution, in asking students to turn their shirts inside out, remove them, or leave school for the day with an excused absence in order to prevent substantial disruption or violence at school.​

This is a classic “heckler’s veto” — thugs threatening to attack the speaker, and government officials suppressing the speech to prevent such violence. “Heckler’s vetoes” are generally not allowed under First Amendment law; the government should generally protect the speaker and threaten to arrest the thugs, not suppress the speaker’s speech. But under Tinker‘s “forecast substantial disruption” test, such a heckler’s veto is indeed allowed.​
 
Don't you just love the putrid smell of multiculturalism rotting out in the fields? American flags are now seen as a divisive symbol at American public schools:


Today’s Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School Dist. (9th Cir. Feb. 27, 2014) upholds a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. . . .

At least one party to this appeal, student M.D., wore American flag clothing to school on Cinco de Mayo 2009. M.D. was approached by a male student who, in the words of the district court, “shoved a Mexican flag at him and said something in Spanish expressing anger at [M.D.’s] clothing.

In the aftermath of the students’ departure from school, they received numerous threats from other students. D.G. was threatened by text message on May 6, and the same afternoon, received a threatening phone call from a caller saying he was outside of D.G.’s home. D.M. and M.D. were likewise threatened with violence, and a student at Live Oak overheard a group of classmates saying that some gang members would come down from San Jose to “take care of” the students. Because of these threats, the students did not go to school on May 7.

We hold that school officials, namely Rodriguez, did not act unconstitutionally, under either the First Amendment or Article I, § 2(a) of the California Constitution, in asking students to turn their shirts inside out, remove them, or leave school for the day with an excused absence in order to prevent substantial disruption or violence at school.​

This is a classic “heckler’s veto” — thugs threatening to attack the speaker, and government officials suppressing the speech to prevent such violence. “Heckler’s vetoes” are generally not allowed under First Amendment law; the government should generally protect the speaker and threaten to arrest the thugs, not suppress the speaker’s speech. But under Tinker‘s “forecast substantial disruption” test, such a heckler’s veto is indeed allowed.​

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Don't you just love the putrid smell of multiculturalism rotting out in the fields? American flags are now seen as a divisive symbol at American public schools:


Today’s Dariano v. Morgan Hill Unified School Dist. (9th Cir. Feb. 27, 2014) upholds a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. . . .

At least one party to this appeal, student M.D., wore American flag clothing to school on Cinco de Mayo 2009. M.D. was approached by a male student who, in the words of the district court, “shoved a Mexican flag at him and said something in Spanish expressing anger at [M.D.’s] clothing.

In the aftermath of the students’ departure from school, they received numerous threats from other students. D.G. was threatened by text message on May 6, and the same afternoon, received a threatening phone call from a caller saying he was outside of D.G.’s home. D.M. and M.D. were likewise threatened with violence, and a student at Live Oak overheard a group of classmates saying that some gang members would come down from San Jose to “take care of” the students. Because of these threats, the students did not go to school on May 7.

We hold that school officials, namely Rodriguez, did not act unconstitutionally, under either the First Amendment or Article I, § 2(a) of the California Constitution, in asking students to turn their shirts inside out, remove them, or leave school for the day with an excused absence in order to prevent substantial disruption or violence at school.​

This is a classic “heckler’s veto” — thugs threatening to attack the speaker, and government officials suppressing the speech to prevent such violence. “Heckler’s vetoes” are generally not allowed under First Amendment law; the government should generally protect the speaker and threaten to arrest the thugs, not suppress the speaker’s speech. But under Tinker‘s “forecast substantial disruption” test, such a heckler’s veto is indeed allowed.​

I would however, put the wearing the American flag on a day to celebrate Mexican heritage was either stupid or intended to get the response it did. Acting to prevent a race war from breaking out may not have been the worst idea in the world.
 
I would however, put the wearing the American flag on a day to celebrate Mexican heritage was either stupid or intended to get the response it did. Acting to prevent a race war from breaking out may not have been the worst idea in the world.

I think you misunderstand. This wasn't about American students crossing the border into Mexico and trying to disrupt a Mexican school's celebration of Cinco de Mayo. This happened in the US, you know, where ALL citizens should be proud of being American.
 
Doesn't wearing a flag as clothing violate the flag code?
 
Cinco de Mayo should be an American celebration as well as a Mexican one. The students should have been taught what the occasion was all about, then perhaps the juvenile attempt at jingoism could have been avoided.

Napoleon III of France invaded Mexico with the intention of taking it over and then invading the USA from that platform. Since we were in the midst of the Civil war at the time, his plan had a pretty good chance of success.

The French were defeated by Benito Juarez and his forces at the Battle of Puebla on the 5 of May, which is what the day commemorates.

Obviously, some students saw it as some sort of intrusion of Mexican culture into the "real America" or some such nonsense. Mexico and the USA should celebrate that date together.
 
I think you misunderstand. This wasn't about American students crossing the border into Mexico and trying to disrupt a Mexican school's celebration of Cinco de Mayo. This happened in the US, you know, where ALL citizens should be proud of being American.

You can be proud of both.
 
I've found that 90 percent of Mexican-Americans don't even know what Cinco de Mayo actually is.
 
I drank a fifth of mayonnaise once to wash down a nasty taco.
 
I've found that 90 percent of Mexican-Americans don't even know what Cinco de Mayo actually is.

I have no doubt that is accurate. Most likely, at least that many other Americans don't know what it is either.
 
I have no doubt that is accurate. Most likely, at least that many other Americans don't know what it is either.

I'm married in to the culture, and most think it's Mexican Independence Day. That's actually September 16th.
 
This is a freedom of expression issue to me. It is not justifiable for the school to claim that such a thing as wearing the American flag on clothing is going to honestly cause a "race war" to any reasonable person unless the staff of the school allowed the school to reach that level of lack of discipline/racial(ethnic) tension to begin with. It does not matter what the students' intent for wearing the flag clothing was, it should be allowed.

That being said, if there was more to what actually caused the student(s) to get expelled than just wearing the flag, then that makes it a different matter. But the school still should not be allowed to ban clothing such as wearing a flag shirt to school just to appease other groups of students. For it to reach such a level, there is a major problem with the school atmosphere that banning clothing will not solve.
 
It's obvious the administrators saw this coming, the school's hispanic side has a history of violence. A better way to go, since it is an American school and not a Mexican one would have been to preemptively require all students to wear or carry an American flag for the school day. Also, the school admins were dertelict in their duty. If they thought there was a safety issue (and they've argued they did) they should have had the police gang unit camped out there.

Sounds like the school is more interested in protecting hoodlums than they are in their student's freedom and education.
 
How does banning the American Flag in The United States Of America make schools safer?
 
Give everyone the day off for Cinco de Mayo, problem solved.
 
How does banning the American Flag in The United States Of America make schools safer?

In reality, it doesn't. It is a truly just a way for school administrators to try to shift focus off of their own massive failures in not being able to calm down racial tensions that they allowed to reach violent or verge of violence levels to begin with.
 
In reality, it doesn't. It is a truly just a way for school administrators to try to shift focus off of their own massive failures in not being able to calm down racial tensions that they allowed to reach violent or verge of violence levels to begin with.
Do you mean that many Mexicans in California don't like the American flag? I know white and black Americans like the American flag.
 
Do you mean that many Mexicans in California don't like the American flag? I know white and black Americans like the American flag.

No. I mean that the staff of the school was catering (wrongly) to a group (no idea how many really) of students who expected more than they should have, believing that they should have some right to not be exposed to something they found offensive, but a reasonable person shouldn't (and "reasonable person" is and should be our standard, not "well someone, somewhere might find it offensive").
 
If students can't be responsible enough to celebrate the day without it devolving into chaos the school district should just cancel celebration of the day.

We're not talking about a Federal holiday here, so who cares whether or not it gets observed?
 
No. I mean that the staff of the school was catering (wrongly) to a group (no idea how many really) of students who expected more than they should have, believing that they should have some right to not be exposed to something they found offensive, but a reasonable person shouldn't (and "reasonable person" is and should be our standard, not "well someone, somewhere might find it offensive").
What is it that is offensive to them?
 
What is that is offensive to them?

I don't know. You would have to ask them. I don't find it offensive at all. I disagree with bans or appeasing groups just because they feel offense to something. I feel the school should be held responsible for failing to alleviate racial/ethnic tensions here and instead choosing to violate personal freedoms of students purely as a failed attempt to cover for their own failures. The students who were punished/suspended should win the case (although I don't know if I agree with giving them money if they are asking for it, beyond paying for lawyers' fees/any potential expenses directly related to this).
 
Mexicans are reclaiming California without firing a shot :mrgreen:
 
Do you mean that many Mexicans in California don't like the American flag? I know white and black Americans like the American flag.

The ones south of the border love the American flag. They will risk their lives and everything they own to come here.
 
This was a clear case of a school giving it up to a gang. The admins should be fired.
 
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