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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If anyone ever doubted that the Mexicans were here as a tool of the America hating far left, that doubt can now be put aside.
    I thick their mostly hear for money and a better life like the rest of us or are ancestors rather then a conspiracy on the part of the left to ban American flags at a school

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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

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    That would be impossible, you didn't join until 2009. Bush wasn't President then.
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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The government cant suppress free speech. Period
    Of course. Free Speech is a categorical right.
    We're all free to yell, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, publish malicious lies about other people, and make dire threats to other life and limb.
    There's no way that govt van suppress free speech. That right is categorical and absolute.

    But perhaps we should make some exceptions and not allow ALL speech.

    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    What about this case should have made the court overturn precedent regarding the relationship between students' freedom of expression and administrators' duty to maintain a suitable learning environment?

    Anyone have any thoughts about that question?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That would be impossible, you didn't join until 2009. Bush wasn't President then.
    It's not impossible. All he would have to do is make a remark about the concept of warrantless tapping and civil liberties.

    For instance, in a thread specifically asking if warrantless wiretapping was necessary, our defender of liberties in the face of security threats said:

    I don't feel as if my civil rights have been infringed, if someone listens in on my phone conversations. One, because I feel like a phone conversation is no more private than talking to someone sitting in a resturant. Two, they'll be real disappointed at what they hear.

    However, I will feel like my civil rights have been infringed on if I'm locked up for political reasons, or because I'm accused of breaking some political correctness law.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058130009

    Emphasis is mine.

    In a thread regarding the Obama administration wishing a lawsuit over warrantless wiretapping to be dismissed due to exposing past uses of the program, our defender of liberty in the face of security threats said this:'

    This is a smart decision. Sometimes, it's going to be necessary to listen in on phone calls. Our national security depends on that ability.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058339417

    Furthermore, our defender of liberty decided that warrantless wiretapping was responsible for crippling the KKK, and was used to expose communist operatives, therefore it is indeed necessary.
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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What about this case should have made the court overturn precedent regarding the relationship between students' freedom of expression and administrators' duty to maintain a suitable learning environment?

    Anyone have any thoughts about that question?
    High school students are minors. They do not have freedom of expression.
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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Of course. Free Speech is a categorical right.
    We're all free to yell, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, publish malicious lies about other people, and make dire threats to other life and limb.
    There's no way that govt van suppress free speech. That right is categorical and absolute.

    But perhaps we should make some exceptions and not allow ALL speech.

    Schools have also been given a great deal more leeway in restricting freedom of expression, but not in their ability to punish a person for expression.
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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    On it's face, this whole thing is quite disturbing to me. Fundamentally the idea that an American school would disallow American students from displaying an American flag under threat of violence from Mexican and Mexican-American students is abhorrent. It's upside down. My immediate reaction is disappointment, anger, even revulsion. It smacks of appeasing thugs. Thugs...not Mexicans. Their nationality or culture is irrelevant to me at this point, the school allowed thugs to dictate policy that day.

    I understand their absolute duty to first and foremost maintain a safe environment for students. I also understand that there is a history of white American students at the school provoking student of Mexican heritage on Cinco de Mayo. But allowing one side to display a flag (on a non-American holiday) and mandating that another side not display a flag, all because of a fear of confrontation and violence is just wrong. They should have disallowed any form of celebration on school property. Apply the dress code universally if you are going to apply it all. And don't allow thugs to dictate policy. If you can identify a potentially disruptive student, deal with them as you would any other. And no doubt there was a fear that the white American students were more than ready to respond if they were confronted by their Mexican counterparts.

    Personally I think wearing an American flag as a shirt is distasteful and classless. Especially if you are doing so in order to prove your patriotism or provoke another. Personally I couldn't care less about Mexican Americans celebrating Cinco de Mayo. It doesn't affect how I feel about my country in any way. It doesn't diminish it, it doesn't threaten it, it does nothing. The fact that the white students felt compelled to pin their "American Pride" on their chest and hoist American flags and where American flag shirts and chant "USA USA!" is just a sign of their immaturity. So much machismo, so little common sense.
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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    On it's face, this whole thing is quite disturbing to me. Fundamentally the idea that an American school would disallow American students from displaying an American flag under threat of violence from Mexican and Mexican-American students is abhorrent. It's upside down. My immediate reaction is disappointment, anger, even revulsion. It smacks of appeasing thugs. Thugs...not Mexicans. Their nationality or culture is irrelevant to me at this point, the school allowed thugs to dictate policy that day.

    I understand their absolute duty to first and foremost maintain a safe environment for students. I also understand that there is a history of white American students at the school provoking student of Mexican heritage on Cinco de Mayo. But allowing one side to display a flag (on a non-American holiday) and mandating that another side not display a flag, all because of a fear of confrontation and violence is just wrong. They should have disallowed any form of celebration on school property. Apply the dress code universally if you are going to apply it all. And don't allow thugs to dictate policy. If you can identify a potentially disruptive student, deal with them as you would any other. And no doubt there was a fear that the white American students were more than ready to respond if they were confronted by their Mexican counterparts.

    Personally I think wearing an American flag as a shirt is distasteful and classless. Especially if you are doing so in order to prove your patriotism or provoke another. Personally I couldn't care less about Mexican Americans celebrating Cinco de Mayo. It doesn't affect how I feel about my country in any way. It doesn't diminish it, it doesn't threaten it, it does nothing. The fact that the white students felt compelled to pin their "American Pride" on their chest and hoist American flags and where American flag shirts and chant "USA USA!" is just a sign of their immaturity. So much machismo, so little common sense.
    Taking issue with the administrator's judgement is a legitimate beef, imho.
    I don't know the details of the situation and I have never been a high school administrator.
    My initial reaction is that there may have been a better way to resolve the issue.

    But, because of what has come before, I can't fault the court for rendering the judgment it did.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Court Rules Schools Allowed To Ban American Flag In Order To Make Schools Safer

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Taking issue with the administrator's judgement is a legitimate beef, imho.
    I don't know the details of the situation and I have never been a high school administrator.
    My initial reaction is that there may have been a better way to resolve the issue.

    But, because of what has come before, I can't fault the court for rendering the judgment it did.
    I fully appreciate their desire to ensure the safety of the students. I do not agree with how they went about it though. Unfortunately there is an entirely different discussion occurring now about this incident. One geared towards vilifying Mexicans, vilifying liberals, and making this about one political persuasion "hating" America. To me that is just stupid and baseless.

    I also believe I should have proof read my post before I hit the "post quick reply" button. Ugh.
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