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Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

1...no it does not, but why I rebutted the thread
2 well i dont confess to every person, who identifies themselves as democract, republican, libertarian, all think in lock step.
3 how is it 100% false,people do foolish stupid, and wrong headed things everyday, and those things do not violate anyones rights.
4.) People also to foolish stupid, wrong things everyday to, when they violate a person rights endanger the public then its unlawful
5.) and you and i know a rights violation is never acceptable, even if a person you dont like rights are violated.

1.) greaaaaat, are you bored lol
2.) but your statement just did that, it claimed all libertarians are alike in thier regards to believing in everyone's liberty, this is false.
3.) SOME of them dont and SOME of them factually do. You made a blanket statement there for it was 100% false
4.) yes some things
5.) i agree but thats not the only problem people have, picking and choosing what people they like, they pick and choose what rights they like also
 
1.)why?
2.)you have not explained why they are not allowed to do something even thought there is no rights violation, or health or safety violation.
3.)why are you not allowed perform an action..... if their is no victim of rights infringement.

1.) law and rights :shrug:
2.) nobody is discussing that, this conversation is not about not being allowed to so something that doesn't violate rights, break laws or is a health/safety violation
3.) i am allowed to perform and action when thier is no victim no law is broken and there is no rights infringement.

you seemed confused again your 1 and 2 have nothing to do with my post or the topic
 
1.) greaaaaat, are you bored lol
2.) but your statement just did that, it claimed all libertarians are alike in thier regards to believing in everyone's liberty, this is false.
3.) SOME of them dont and SOME of them factually do. You made a blanket statement there for it was 100% false
4.) yes some things
5.) i agree but thats not the only problem people have, picking and choosing what people they like, they pick and choose what rights they like also

I asked you questions, ...you didn't answer either one of them...why?

why should anyone be prohibited from preforming an action if there is no victim of a rights violation.....please answer.
 
1.) law and rights :shrug:
2.) nobody is discussing that, this conversation is not about not being allowed to so something that doesn't violate rights, break laws or is a health/safety violation
3.) i am allowed to perform and action when thier is no victim no law is broken and there is no rights infringement.

you seemed confused again your 1 and 2 have nothing to do with my post or the topic

no I am not confused, if I ignore you, insult you, do not serve you.....your rights are not violated at all.

since government duty is to secure rights, and no rights violation has taken place from those actions, how can you be taken to court for those actions.
 
1.)I asked you questions, ...you didn't answer either one of them...why?
2.)why should anyone be prohibited from preforming an action if there is no victim of a rights violation.....please answer.

1.)you asked ONE question and i infact did answer it with number 3

your ONE question was "how is it 100% false,people do foolish stupid, and wrong headed things everyday, and those things do not violate anyones rights." that was CLEARLY answered lol

2.) no one is lol
 
1.)no I am not confused, if I ignore you, insult you, do not serve you.....your rights are not violated at all.
2.) since government duty is to secure rights, and no rights violation has taken place from those actions, how can you be taken to court for those actions.

1.) 100% correct :shrug:
2.) no one is

like i said you are severly confused because you seem to think that is happening, its factually not
 
1.)you asked ONE question and i infact did answer it with number 3

your ONE question was "how is it 100% false,people do foolish stupid, and wrong headed things everyday, and those things do not violate anyones rights." that was CLEARLY answered lol

2.) no one is lol

no ..not the question I was talking about
 
1.) 100% correct :shrug:
2.) no one is

like i said you are severly confused because you seem to think that is happening, its factually not


can...you explain how a gay couple took a bakery, and a photographer to court, since their rights were not violated.
 
1.) no ..not the question I was talking about
2.)can...you explain how a gay couple took a bakery, and a photographer to court
3.), since their rights were not violated.


1.)well that was the only question in the post before you answer mine so youll have to explain then LOL
2.) ahhhhh now i see where your sever confusion is

they took them to court because those places broke the law and did factually infringe on thier rights

not because they were ignored, insulted or denied service

it was because they(store owners) broke the law and infringed on thier rights
then the government did its duty and stepped in and secured rights

thanks so much this clears up a lot about where you get confused at, i get it now

3.) factually false has the facts, law, rights and court cases prove, see #2
 
1.)well that was the only question in the post before you answer mine so youll have to explain then LOL
2.) ahhhhh now i see where your sever confusion is

they took them to court because those places broke the law and did factually infringe on thier rights

not because they were ignored, insulted or denied service

it was because they(store owners) broke the law and infringed on thier rights
then the government did its duty and stepped in and secured rights

thanks so much this clears up a lot about where you get confused at, i get it now

3.) factually false has the facts, law, rights and court cases prove, see #2



2....please explain what rights were broken... name each right per the constitution.....please do not list not being discriminated against as a right, because it does not exist.

3..then I am still waiting for you to list rights which were violated by the business owners , since the couple has no exercisable rights while they were on another person's property.
 
1.)2....please explain what rights were broken... name each right per the constitution.....please do not list not being discriminated against as a right, because it does not exist.

2.)..then I am still waiting for you to list rights which were violated by the business owners , since the couple has no exercisable rights while they were on another person's property.

1.) so you want me to list the rights and law without listing the right and law and then you say they dont exist?
sorry facts, rights laws, court cases prove you wrong

sorry it is illegal and a violation of rights to discriminant based on these things "age, disability, race/national origin/color. religion, gender and sometimes sexual orientation
this is a fact whether you like it or not and it further explains your sever confusion''you are allowed to feel its wrong or disagree with those being rights and law BUT they factually are

how about you tell me your favorite color, but please dont name any actual colors because they dont exists LMAO

2.) see #1
this explains so much about your confusion and inane wording and fantasy coming up with scenarios that factually weren't happening and mad no sense
sorry ill stic with facts, rights, law and court cases over your opinion

thank you
 
1.) so you want me to list the rights and law without listing the right and law and then you say they dont exist?
sorry facts, rights laws, court cases prove you wrong

sorry it is illegal and a violation of rights to discriminant based on these things "age, disability, race/national origin/color. religion, gender and sometimes sexual orientation
this is a fact whether you like it or not and it further explains your sever confusion''you are allowed to feel its wrong or disagree with those being rights and law BUT they factually are

how about you tell me your favorite color, but please dont name any actual colors because they dont exists LMAO

2.) see #1
this explains so much about your confusion and inane wording and fantasy coming up with scenarios that factually weren't happening and mad no sense
sorry ill stic with facts, rights, law and court cases over your opinion

thank you

its real simple, ..........name a right the business owners violated of the couple....please list just one....because you said there was a rights violation.

again I am only asking for 1 right which was violated per the constitution or recognized by the court.
 
1.)its real simple, ..........name a right the business owners violated of the couple....please list just one....because you said there was a rights violation.

again I am only asking for 1 right which was violated per the constitution or recognized by the court.

you are right and this is why i already did already did, did you miss them?

here ill quote it

sorry it is illegal and a violation of rights to discriminant based on these things "age, disability, race/national origin/color. religion, gender and sometimes sexual orientation
this is a fact whether you like it or not and it further explains your sever confusion''you are allowed to feel its wrong or disagree with those being rights and law BUT they factually are

not sure why this confuses you

if you disagree simply factually prove thats not law and that doesn't violate rights listed above?
i have facts, law, rights and court cases all on my side that talk about this law. one fact that agrees with you and prove these law and rights wrong. :)
 
you are right and this is why i already did already did, did you miss them?

here ill quote it



not sure why this confuses you

if you disagree simply factually prove thats not law and that doesn't violate rights listed above?
i have facts, law, rights and court cases all on my side that talk about this law. one fact that agrees with you and prove these law and rights wrong. :)

what right? what you stated is no right, federal laws do not create rights, rights can only be recognized by the constitution or recognized by the USSC.

congress can in no way create federal legislation bestowing rights to the public.

the bill of rights does not even give or grant rights.
 
what right? what you stated is no right, federal laws do not create rights, rights can only be recognized by the constitution or recognized by the USSC.

congress can in no way create federal legislation bestowing rights to the public.

the bill of rights does not even give or grant rights.

and this is where your confusion comes in
you think your OPINION is fact and it matters but its not and its factually wrong

you are free to have this opinion though but i again ask, what do you base it on

i have facts, laws, rights and court cases all support this

what do you have besides "nu-huh"

so are you claiming this is a big conspiracy theory? all those laws and rights and court cases and the usages of the 14 and civil rights all these years is all wrong . . only your opinion is right?

and be clear, i have ZERO interest in discussion your opinions and philosophies im asking you fro FACTS that prove all that stuff wrong

what FACTS do have that prove the facts above and the law and established rights and court cases wrong?

i look forward to reading your confusion and humor tomorrow
 
and this is where your confusion comes in
you think your OPINION is fact and it matters but its not and its factually wrong

you are free to have this opinion though but i again ask, what do you base it on

i have facts, laws, rights and court cases all support this

what do you have besides "nu-huh"

so are you claiming this is a big conspiracy theory? all those laws and rights and court cases and the usages of the 14 and civil rights all these years is all wrong . . only your opinion is right?

and be clear, i have ZERO interest in discussion your opinions and philosophies im asking you fro FACTS that prove all that stuff wrong

what FACTS do have that prove the facts above and the law and established rights and court cases wrong?

i look forward to reading your confusion and humor tomorrow

I asked you what right. you wish to cite federal laws, ..well federal laws cannot create rights for the people, only rights recognized in the constitution or rights recognized by the USSC are rights.

the court has never stated you have a right to not be discriminated against, by a citizen or business.

constitutional law states that governments cannot discriminate against the people....because constitutions only apply to government they never limit people.

so again what right per constitutional law, was violated by the business owner.


p.s. since the couple was on the business owners property at the time, the couple has no exercisable rights to speak of
 
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In the case of the photographer (what prompted the AZ law, per the words of the crafters)

Elane Photography v. Vanessa Willock <-- Good reading.

The Supreme Court of New Mexico. Unanimous ruling.

<snip>

The United States Supreme Court has never found a compelled-speech violation arising from the application of antidiscrimination laws to a for-profit public accommodation.
In fact, it has suggested that public accommodation laws are generally constitutional.
See
Hurley
, 515 U.S. at 572 (“Provisions like these are well within the State’s usual power to enact when a legislature has reason to believe that a given group is the target of discrimination, and they do not, as a general matter, violate the First or Fourteenth Amendments . . . . [T]he focal point of [such statutes is] rather on the act of discriminating against individuals in the provision of publicly available goods, privileges, and services on
the proscribed grounds.”).

The United States Supreme Court has found constitutional problems with some applications of state public accommodation laws, but those problems have arisen when states have applied their public accommodation laws to free-speech events such as privately organized parades, id.at 566, 573, 580-81, and private membership organizations, Boy Scouts of Am. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640, 659, 659 n.4 (2000).2
Elane Photography, however, is an ordinary public accommodation, a “clearly commercial entit[y],” that sells goods and services to the public.

and

Antidiscrimination laws have been consistently upheld as constitutional.
See, e.g.
,
Hurley
, 515 U.S. at 572 (“[Public accommodations la
ws] do not, as a general matter, violate
the First or Fourteenth Amendments.”);

Heart of Atlanta Motel
, 379 U.S. at 242-44, 258, 261
(sustaining Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 against challenges based on the Commerce Clause and the Fifth and Thirteenth Amendments). Elane Photography’s desire to work with heterosexual rather than homosexual couples does not give it license to violate
the NMHRA.


Elane Photography v. Vanessa Willock

Which leads me to wonder, are you a conservative in favor of State's Rights?
 
In the case of the photographer (what prompted the AZ law, per the words of the crafters)

Elane Photography v. Vanessa Willock <-- Good reading.

The Supreme Court of New Mexico. Unanimous ruling.

<snip>

The United States Supreme Court has never found a compelled-speech violation arising from the application of antidiscrimination laws to a for-profit public accommodation.
In fact, it has suggested that public accommodation laws are generally constitutional.
See
Hurley
, 515 U.S. at 572 (“Provisions like these are well within the State’s usual power to enact when a legislature has reason to believe that a given group is the target of discrimination, and they do not, as a general matter, violate the First or Fourteenth Amendments . . . . [T]he focal point of [such statutes is] rather on the act of discriminating against individuals in the provision of publicly available goods, privileges, and services on
the proscribed grounds.”).

The United States Supreme Court has found constitutional problems with some applications of state public accommodation laws, but those problems have arisen when states have applied their public accommodation laws to free-speech events such as privately organized parades, id.at 566, 573, 580-81, and private membership organizations, Boy Scouts of Am. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640, 659, 659 n.4 (2000).2
Elane Photography, however, is an ordinary public accommodation, a “clearly commercial entit[y],” that sells goods and services to the public.

and

Antidiscrimination laws have been consistently upheld as constitutional.
See, e.g.
,
Hurley
, 515 U.S. at 572 (“[Public accommodations la
ws] do not, as a general matter, violate
the First or Fourteenth Amendments.”);

Heart of Atlanta Motel
, 379 U.S. at 242-44, 258, 261
(sustaining Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 against challenges based on the Commerce Clause and the Fifth and Thirteenth Amendments). Elane Photography’s desire to work with heterosexual rather than homosexual couples does not give it license to violate
the NMHRA.


Elane Photography v. Vanessa Willock

Which leads me to wonder, are you a conservative in favor of State's Rights?

are you addressing me?
 
CONCLUSION{79}
Elane Photography’s refusal to serve Vanessa Willock violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act, which prohibits a public accommodation from refusing to offer its services to a person based on that person’s sexual orientation.

Enforcing the NMHRA against Elane Photography does not violate the Free Speech or the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment or the NMRFRA. For these reasons, we affirm the grant of summary
judgment in Willock’s favor.

{80}IT IS SO ORDERED

Elane Photography v. Vanessa Willock <-- Good reading.
 
New Mexico Human Rights Act

how can a state create a rights act. .since legislatures do not create rights.

rights can only be recognized by the constitution or the USSC has to recognize a right,..no state or the congress can create laws, instituting rights to people.

no government can give a citizen a right or privilege on another persons property.
 
Why would ANYONE want someone who obviously hates them to be in charge of wedding pictures in the first place....I mean come one, she would probably do a lousy job on purpose or lose the pictures because her pure little Christian heart compels her to do so.
 
Why would ANYONE want someone who obviously hates them to be in charge of wedding pictures in the first place....I mean come one, she would probably do a lousy job on purpose or lose the pictures because her pure little Christian heart compels her to do so.

Umm...no. A photographer is only as good as their last shot.
 
you are right and this is why i already did already did, did you miss them?

here ill quote it



not sure why this confuses you

if you disagree simply factually prove thats not law and that doesn't violate rights listed above?
i have facts, law, rights and court cases all on my side that talk about this law. one fact that agrees with you and prove these law and rights wrong. :)

What rights did you list above? I don't see anything.
 
Why would ANYONE want someone who obviously hates them to be in charge of wedding pictures in the first place....I mean come one, she would probably do a lousy job on purpose or lose the pictures because her pure little Christian heart compels her to do so.

why? because then people are rejected, and hurt, the reaction to the get even, since this is not possible by physical force, a crime, they seek government to be there force, and get even.

as has been stated by some of the gay community, 'let it be a warning to people who feel they can discriminate"
 
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