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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Why would ANYONE want someone who obviously hates them to be in charge of wedding pictures in the first place....I mean come one, she would probably do a lousy job on purpose or lose the pictures because her pure little Christian heart compels her to do so.
    First this was a state law. (This is where the states rights people get floundered) -

    I think that was a rare case though. Two STOOPID things happened there.

    The photographer (like most business owners in fields such as the photographer) can still discriminate if they like, they just have to be more creative about it.

    Just say no. Too busy, booked, etc.., or refer her to another photographer - You don't even HAVE to give a reason. She did though, and quite vocally.

    Second, the major unfortunate problem the photographer faced was: She said it to someone whose job it was to enforce discrimination laws.

    The lesbian (radical, in my view) worked for the NM version of the EEOC. It was what she made her living doing. Yikes.

    Bad Bad mistake. It was like telling the Liquor Commissioner you own a bar and serve booze to minors, or telling a cop you speed every day around a certain stretch of road (maybe not great analogies, but it's a slow-firing neuron day. lol) Not wise.

    The photographer was nabbed in a very unfortunate situation, but it was state law.

    My personal views are that art fields, including photography and such, are not something that should be open to Civil Rights Laws.

    It is quite different than a general store, restaurant or hotel.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by paperview View Post
    lol. You don't even know what number amendment the equal protection clause falls under.


    Pssst: 14th.
    actully i cut you slack, and you didnt even see it.

    The 14th pass by congress after the civl war incorporated the bill of rights , and made it apply to states, as where the bill of rights did not apply to states before the civl war.

    The 5th was equal protection, becuase it restircts the government from creating any law which denies government from violating life, liberty, property without due process

    by using the 14th you hurt yourself

    it clearly states...." no state shall".....does not say no citizen or business shall, .....and it also states privledges and immunities, , ...it does not say rights.

    In 1873 the ussc declared the 14th only applied to slaves, it has only been the in 20th century that descion was changed.

    So using the 14th is not a smart move.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    actully i cut you slack, and you didnt even see it.

    The 14th pass by congress after the civl war incorporated the bill of rights , and made it apply to states, as where the bill of rights did not apply to states before the civl war.

    The 5th was equal protection, becuase it restircts the government from creating any law which denies government from violating life, liberty, property without due process

    by using the 14th you hurt yourself

    it clearly states...." no state shall".....does not say no citizen or business shall, .....and it also states privledges and immunities, , ...it does not say rights.

    In 1873 the ussc declared the 14th only applied to slaves, it has only been the in 20th century that descion was changed.

    So using the 14th is not a smart move.
    (Reuters) - A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


    U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."

    U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages


    Happening all over the place now, buddy. Get used to it.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    (Reuters) - A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


    U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."

    U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages


    Happening all over the place now, buddy. Get used to it.
    marriage is a privilege because it is licensed by the state.....a government........ rights are not licensed.

    since government dispenses that privilege, then It must treat all people equal and provide the privilege, ..unless they can show it is in the interest of the states not to give the privilege which Is difficult to do.

    I think you should read the 14th before you cite it.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh! So everyone's rights aren't equal, after all?
    I don't even know what that means....... you didn't answer my question....

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    marriage is a privilege because it is licensed by the state.....a government........ rights are not licensed.

    since government dispenses that privilege, then It must treat all people equal and provide the privilege, ..unless they can show it is in the interest of the states not to give the privilege which Is difficult to do.

    I think you should read the 14th before you cite it.
    SCOTUS has ruled Marriage is a Fundamental Right.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    SCOTUS has ruled Marriage is a Fundamental Right.
    then if that was so, ...question?.. then how have state government passed. constitutional amendments, preventing it, states laws which prevent it, the government creating DOMA.

    since it is a recognized right, this would have meant such laws would have never been on the books.


    I am glad of one thing, ...you clearly stated, that the COURT, would be the one to rule if something is a right, congress or a state government, cannot create any right for the people by legislation.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then if that was so, ...question?.. then how have state government passed. constitutional amendments, preventing it, states laws which prevent it, the government creating DOMA.

    since it is a recognized right, this would have meant such laws would have never been on the books.


    I am glad of one thing, ...you clearly stated, that the COURT, would be the one to rule if something is a right, congress or a state government, cannot create any right for the people by legislation.
    Er, DOMA has been struck down by SCOTUS. Did you miss that?

    Have you missed Federal judges all over the country striking down those laws that ban same-sex marriage as Unconstitutional?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Er, DOMA has been struck down by SCOTUS. Did you miss that?

    Have you missed Federal judges all over the country striking down those laws that ban same-sex marriage as Unconstitutional?
    well tell me then, when had the USSC declared marriage a fundamental right?.....because some states have had laws, amendments for years.

    and I cant say I have heard the court rule on marriage, in the last several years.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Loving v Virginia, for starters.

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