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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    They are not required under the law to personally provide services which they find objectionable, but the business is.
    I really, really want to see that tested in court. A homosexual couple want a baker to bake a wedding cake for them, the bakers at the bakery decline but the business itself has to comply and bake the cake. I really wonder how a judge expects a bunch of stapled papers forming an incorporation document to actually come to life, grow arms and legs and then bake a cake.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) this already exists its in the constitution but if the conspiracy theorist need that id gladly put it in there i have ZERO problem with it because if it was ever tries id fight against it just as hard as i fight for equal rights..

    the "church" has ever single right to discriminate because religious marriage has nothing to do with legal marriage.

    2.)the fear is nonsensical and should exist but id gladly do it

    3.) thats good, im christian and totally support equal rights because it has nothing to do with anything religious that matters in regard to rights, freedom , country and liberty
    Whether it's real or nonsensical is not the point,putting people's minds at ease is the key.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Right wing commentators and even the owners themselves apparently have a very poor understanding of business law. This has never been an issue of religious freedom. There is no law stating that a person cannot discriminate against x, y, or z. Public accommodation laws apply to businesses not to people. The people involved in these lawsuits, a baker and photographer, were named because they are the owners of an unincorporated business. Under the law, the owners of an unincorporated business and the business itself are the same legal entity. This means that the owners are legally liable for everything that goes on with/in their business including violations of public accommodation law and especially if they are the ones breaking the law in their official capacity as the owner of the business. They are not required under the law to personally provide services which they find objectionable, but the business is.
    If that is so, then the law needs to change and it will take an act of Congress. NO MAN should have to compromise his religious beliefs in providing a service to another. NO ONE.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If that is so, then the law needs to change and it will take an act of Congress. NO MAN should have to compromise his religious beliefs in providing a service to another. NO ONE.
    A business is not a man so why does the law need to change?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fine then when the KKK wants a black caterer to service one of their events, no doubt you will be there to tell the black man he must do it because he has no right to ask for special treatment.
    THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

    WOW! lol

    this was already discussed earlier today but whats awesome about your post is you just proved to everybody reading how severely uneducated you are on this specific topic

    now lets start with how HUGE of a failure your post is since you obviously have ZERO clue about rights and the law and illegal discrimination etc. We knew this already but this post confirms it.

    1.) this is what ILLEGAL discrimaintion is, its discrimination based on age, disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or in some cases sexual orientation
    this applies to us ALL

    2.) the KKK is NONE of those things, unless in that particular state the KKK is recognized as a religion there is no illegal discrimination going on in the scenario you just described.

    3.) the caters's race doesnt matter

    4.) if the cater denys service for any reason not on the list in number one its LEGAL

    KKK is not an age disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or sexual orientation

    sorry your example complete fails and there is no SPECIAL rights in your scenario, facts win again, try again
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    A business is not a man so why does the law need to change?
    Because the owner of the business is not protected. It is as if the right hand has certain constitutional rights but his left hand is denied that right of conscience.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Whether it's real or nonsensical is not the point,putting people's minds at ease is the key.
    i agree this is why i support it no matter how intellectually inept, mentally retarded and nonsensical that fear is

    if it helps them keep thier irrational fears under control and helps equal rights im all for it
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If that is so, then the law needs to change and it will take an act of Congress. NO MAN should have to compromise his religious beliefs in providing a service to another. NO ONE.
    that law and right already exists
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Because the owner of the business is not protected. It is as if the right hand has certain constitutional rights but his left hand is denied that right of conscience.
    he is 100% protected he doesn't get special rights this has already been proven
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fine then when the KKK wants a black caterer to service one of their events, no doubt you will be there to tell the black man he must do it because he has no right to ask for special treatment.
    I have wondered that same scenario myself.

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