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Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

The facts prove you wrong

if you say so, you are free to believe that
but nobody honest, educated and objective will believe it though, especially since the thread proves otherwise
 
I have to admit, I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I think businesses should have the right to refuse on any basis, on the other hand, if we allow people to refuse service because of religion, where does it stop?

I am not torn. I think that people have a right to refuse service to anyone for anything. Not sure why someone would want to do business with someone who doesn't want them as a customer. The businesses run by bigots will either go out of business or do what some groups do now, completely legally, and become private and only do business with "members". Andrew Sullivan, a gay writer and proponent of SSM supports the right of a business to refuse to serve some. He probably feels, like I do, that this will happen very few times and it is not a real problem. How many bakeries or photographers are there?

Hate and intolerance are wrong. And it is worse when the hate and intolerance is coming from the majority with government backing, ganging up on a minority. And this should not be some "religion" issue-all of us should have freedom to form our own opinions and live by those opinions. Slavery is over. People don't have to perform services for anyone if they choose not to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/opinion/sunday/the-terms-of-our-surrender.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1
 
I am not torn. I think that people have a right to refuse service to anyone for anything. Not sure why someone would want to do business with someone who doesn't want them as a customer. The businesses run by bigots will either go out of business or do what some groups do now, completely legally, and become private and only do business with "members". Andrew Sullivan, a gay writer and proponent of SSM supports the right of a business to refuse to serve some. He probably feels, like I do, that this will happen very few times and it is not a real problem. How many bakeries or photographers are there?

Hate and intolerance are wrong. And it is worse when the hate and intolerance is coming from the majority with government backing, ganging up on a minority. And this should not be some "religion" issue-all of us should have freedom to form our own opinions and live by those opinions. Slavery is over. People don't have to perform services for anyone if they choose not to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/opinion/sunday/the-terms-of-our-surrender.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

That is how I thought of it originally. Though, the more I thought about it, the more I looked at it like this. If we allowed businesses to discriminate, that's what it is, on a basis like this in the state of Alabama, which is rather staunchly religious, then it would more or less force a gay person or couple out of the state.
 
That is how I thought of it originally. Though, the more I thought about it, the more I looked at it like this. If we allowed businesses to discriminate, that's what it is, on a basis like this in the state of Alabama, which is rather staunchly religious, then it would more or less force a gay person or couple out of the state.

Well, I was thinking about Alabama, and the 1950s south, when I wrote that. I would support requiring business to not discriminate in that case. But I think that here we are talking about a very small group. It doesn't rise to the level of being a problem, IMHO. I would hope that any non-discrimination law would be short term and expire after society adapts and accepts. On the gay issue, Alabama will come around to majority acceptance soon, if not already and those who continue to oppose will be marginalized. Passing a law will tend to rally some people and make a mountain out of a molehill. Let's see if it is a mountain first.
 
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