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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    there is factually no rights violation for being denied service LMAO
    i think you may be in the wrong thread

    that is what i am asking, are rights of the patron being violated.......the answer is ......no!

    so i give you praise for answering the question for me.

    since no rights violation is taking places............. government has no authority to act.

    "Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)that is what i am asking, are rights of the patron being violated.......the answer is ......no!
    2.)so i give you praise for answering the question for me.
    3.) since no rights violation is taking places............. government has no authority to act.
    4.)"Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
    1.) correct there is no rights of the patron being violated for simply being denied service i dont think anybody in this whole thread suggested something so silly
    2.) thanks but theres no need to praise me for pointing out facts, denying service is legal
    3.) for the denying of service? no they do not in most cases
    4.) ok

    im just curious if you have anythign on topic to discuss, you seem to think this thread is about denying service that would be stupid
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    You are a bigot.
    Actually I am not, I do not discriminate nor do I endorse discrimination for any reason. The same can not be said about you, which leacve us with the inescapable conclusion who the bigot is.

    You've got some kind of hard on for Christians
    I have no such thing, I love Christians, I dislike bigots who pretend to be Christians and attempt to justufy they bigotry through that. It is really shameful, disgraceful even and an embarrassment to those who actually follow Christ.

    and consider yourself better than them.
    Then bigots, yes I am.

    Newsflash, you're not.
    Coming from you that is really meaningful.

    They are entitled the their opinion every bit as much as you are.
    Of course they are everyone is.

    It's a shame your life has no meaning
    Not to bigots, then again that hardly matters to me. There are enough people who feel the opposite.

    but that is your problem, not theirs.
    Ni, I do not have a problem but clearly bigots do, even if no more than the frustration that their attempts to have legal sanctions for their bigotry is not working out.

    Trying to belittle them
    I do not belittle them, they are little by their own doing.

    to make yourself feel better isn't going to change that.
    It does not make me feel better to know that such primitive and ignorant people still exist.

    Assuming that all Christians are the same is narrow minded and short sighted.
    Yes that it is, but to discriminate is not being Christ like. He associated with sinners and did not send them away because they were offensive to His Godliness.

    We have a guy here who stands on the town square with a bullhorn and a sign screaming about gays being sinners. He is a deluded ass.
    He has every right and he is, but that hardly makes him a Christian.

    You are the other side of the same coin.
    I do not share the feeling.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) correct there is no rights of the patron being violated for simply being denied service i dont think anybody in this whole thread suggested something so silly
    2.) thanks but theres no need to praise me for pointing out facts, denying service is legal
    3.) for the denying of service? no they do not in most cases
    4.) ok

    im just curious if you have anythign on topic to discuss
    1.then you did not read all of the threads, when i asked this question before, i was told, "to not be discriminated against, and i stated...that is not a right.
    2. i am clear, if no rights violation of the patron is taking place, then government has no authority to act,....because government duty is to secure rights, the only rights in these cases we are being discussed on the forums are rights of the property owner who are being violated by government force.
    3. the father of the constitution, and the man who also wrote the bill of rights, states government is here for the protect of property ,meaning yourself, your body, and material goods, it is not here to make us like each other.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.then you did not read all of the threads, when i asked this question before, i was told, "to not be discriminated against, and i stated...that is not a right.
    2. i am clear, if no rights violation of the patron is taking place, then government has no authority to act,....
    3.) because government duty is to secure rights
    4.), the only rights in these cases we are being discussed on the forums are rights of the property owner who are being violated by government force.
    5.). the father of the constitution, and the man who also wrote the bill of rights, states government is here for the protect of property ,meaning yourself, your body, and material goods, it is not here to make us like each other.
    1.) yes i read it and this thread is not about being denied surface nor is it about "discrimination" because you are right neither are a right
    2.) you are correct when discussing "denying service" there are no rights being violated and in most cases the government has no reason to act
    3.) 100% correct
    4.) what on gods green earth are you talking about? there are no rights of the property owner being violated by this bill being vetoed lol
    5.) another thing that is meaningless here


    tell me what you think this thread is about

    its NOT about solely denying service
    its NOT about solely discrimaintion

    do you know what its about?
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    it was insane and yes it didn't effect anybody rights since it got vetoed thats what makes it awesome!
    It was not insane and even if it had not been vetoed it would have effected no ones rights.

    I could care less that it got vetoed but the above facts are true.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    It was not insane
    2.)and even if it had not been vetoed it would have effected no ones rights.
    3.)I could care less that it got vetoed but the above facts are true.
    1.) yes it was not only insane it was bat**** insane and i say that as a religious person, this bill was mentally inane and retarded lol
    2.) im sure you believe that
    3.) yes you have that opinion
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Actually I am not, I do not discriminate nor do I endorse discrimination for any reason. The same can not be said about you, which leacve us with the inescapable conclusion who the bigot is.
    You don't discriminate nor do you endorse discrimination? Interesting. So when you go out to the restaurant you buy one of everything? Gosh, I sure hope you don't eat all of that.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes i read it and this thread is not about being denied surface nor is it about "discrimination" because you are right neither are a right
    2.) you are correct when discussing "denying service" there are no rights being violated and in most cases the government has no reason to act
    3.) 100% correct
    4.) what on gods green earth are you talking about? there are no rights of the property owner being violated by this bill being vetoed lol
    5.) another thing that is meaningless here


    tell me what you think this thread is about

    its NOT about solely denying service
    its NOT about solely discrimaintion

    do you know what its about?
    4. was not discussing the bill. your off base, many people have strayed from the topic.
    5. sorry you cannot understand Madison....all liberty is derived out of property, therefore property of every sort is to be protected by government, if government uses force on a person to make them preform a service for another citizen, bake a cake, take a picture, that is rights violation.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    exactly you just proved it is equal, your post failed again and facts win again lol
    you might want to study up on this subject first before talking about it

    these rights apply to us all
    A black photog CAN be forced, by law, to shoot a KKK themed wedding?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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