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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a business owner allows you a privilege on his property
    Indeed he does that when he puts the "OPEN" sign in the window without any declared restrictions.

    and he has the right to revoke your privilege he has given you at any time.
    No on a whim. Once the OPEN sign is up there is a contract in place and he can not rescind it.

    since he is giving you a privilege
    It is not a privilege when you ask me to com to you.

    the person entering has no exercisable rights......no right to be served.
    Why else would you ask him to come to your business?

    the only rights which exist are the business owners, and they are being violated by government forcing him to preform and action, against his will......which is a rights violation
    No right of the business owner is violated. His contractual obligation has to be met.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Do you live in bum**** Idaho where there's only one grocery store within a 100 miles? Tell you what, go to that one grocery store and tell the owner off and just see if you aren't banned from the premises.
    No I do not live there, but visited once and found the grocery store owner to be just as big a bigot as the ones you are defending here, but that is irrelevant. No one was telling anyone off, just wanting to buy groceries, you know critical stuff for the baby and the sick wife.

    Get a grip.
    I have a firm one, may I suggest that same instead of grasping at straws.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    another problem is people have the insane idea, we are a collective society, and therefore my rights ,your rights .......henge on what the group says they are.......this is also incorrect.
    What gave you such a silly idea?

    my rights to not come from you and other people
    No they come from the social contract we all entered and agreed upon.

    no citizen or citizens have the right to control other citizens
    Nor has anyone wanted to, or you shown that to be the case. Sure you keep claiming it, but it is not.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You've failed to show any distinction between these and private golf courses.
    What about private golf courses, I never mentioned them.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Indeed he does that when he puts the "OPEN" sign in the window without any declared restrictions.
    declared restrictions?........i have already right to property, right to association, right to commerce, ...however can a law, ......override those rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    No on a whim. Once the OPEN sign is up there is a contract in place and he can not rescind it.
    false... a contract can only take place if two parties agree.....you are saying a contract is in place, before the parties meet.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It is not a privilege when you ask me to com to you.
    i am soliciting business, however once you enter my property...... you have no exercisable rights, but i do, its my property, how can you as a patron, make demands on me since your one my property....that against the founding principles of America.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Why else would you ask him to come to your business?
    i asked you before.......what exercisable rights do you have on my property...and still i have no answer............government acts when their is a rights violation, since there are no exercisable right for you on my property, how can government act?


    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    No right of the business owner is violated. His contractual obligation has to be met.
    i don't make a contract with the public when i go into business......remember i have a right to commerce......the buying and selling of goods.




    again, what rights violation is talking place when a customer is refused service........someone please tell me the recognized right per the constitution.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh, and once again, they are NOT offering anything to the public.
    Of course they are. there are no preconditions published. The business is open to the public. If you do not understand what that means have someone you trust explain it to you.

    They are offering service to those they consent to offer service to.
    And they can do that, but they have to set the condition first.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Seriously, dudes..are we really fighting the CRA all over again?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    this question goes unanswered!!!!................" what rights violation is talking place when a customer is refused service........someone please tell me the recognized right per the constitution"

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    When a politician as right-wing as Jan Brewer can't bring herself to sign this into law, you know it's a piece of junk legislation.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Of course they are. there are no preconditions published. The business is open to the public. If you do not understand what that means have someone you trust explain it to you.
    No, their rights make it very clear they have no responsibility to publish anything of the sort.

    And they can do that, but they have to set the condition first.
    No, they don't.

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