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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Not as they are set up now, but if they reopened under a new declared membership rules then yes.

    No, they are open to the public and are ensuring a minimal consumption and they do it up front.
    You've failed to show any distinction between these and private golf courses.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Putting conditions on when and when someone can not control the use of their property is a violation of property rights.
    You are still missing the point. It has nothing to do with property rights. It has everything to do with the property owner putting up his goods or service for sale to the public without any prior restrictive clauses. If the owner wants offer his goods or services on alimited basis based on any criteria (s)he can do that easily by setting up the proper limited access to the goods or services.

    There is no reason to accept that only private clubs can discriminate. None.
    You may not think so but there is good reason, and if you followed the conversation and understood it, by now you would also know that.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Example where an individual segregates and is now disallowed by law to do so? Are you saying I can't have men and women's dressing rooms in my business?
    See Lawerence v Texas


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I really like your triumphalism. It's just sooo much what turns the guys on.
    what?lol
    triumphalism
    a : the attitude that one religious creed is superior to all others
    b : smug or boastful pride in the success or dominance of one's nation or ideology over others

    well you just proved you have no clue what this topic is about
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Equality did not win even if you did by predicting this.

    The proposed law was not insane and did not affect the equal rights of anyone.
    it was insane and yes it didn't effect anybody rights since it got vetoed thats what makes it awesome!
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anti-discrimination laws are not constitutional law........constitutional law is supreme.


    it is unconstitutional , by the 13th amendment.... for government to force a citizen to serve another citizen....that is involuntary servitude.

    involuntary servitude can only take place if a citizen has been convicted of a crime.

    discriminate is not criminal.

    13th--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    Trying to compare anti-discrimination laws to slavery is insulting to people who were actually slaves.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No difference between CostCo charging a membership (btw, you don't just buy the membership but also apply to join) and a golf course doing the same. The private golf course is also a business.
    The conditions of membership are clearly defined. It just happens that Costco does not put restrictions on it, but any business could if they wanted to.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You are still missing the point. It has nothing to do with property rights. It has everything to do with the property owner putting up his goods or service for sale to the public without any prior restrictive clauses. If the owner wants offer his goods or services on alimited basis based on any criteria (s)he can do that easily by setting up the proper limited access to the goods or services.
    Sorry, that argument is still in violation of property rights for the same exact reason as your last one. Putting conditions on when and how someone can control the use of their property is a violation of property rights. He doesn't need to follow your rules of prior notice and his property rights make that clear.

    You may not think so but there is good reason, and if you followed the conversation and understood it, by now you would also know that.
    No, I wouldn't. None of you have offered any reasons except feelings arguments or the law is the law arguments.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    for government to force a citizen to serve another citizen....that is involuntary servitude.
    Nobody is forcing anybody. The bakery is offering its goods to the public. Nobody demanded that a bakery be opened.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Trying to compare anti-discrimination laws to slavery is insulting to people who were actually slaves.
    Chattel slavery is not the only type of slavery, so no, it's not insulting to chattel slaves, since no one is making that comparison.

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