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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I HAVE the right to discriminate against anyone I please.
    No in the civilized society we built here, but yo are more than welcome to seek such places, I am sure they exist somwhere, where medieval thinking is still the norm.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    No in the civilized society we built here, but yo are more than welcome to seek such places, I am sure they exist somwhere, where medieval thinking is still the norm.
    You define civilized in a very odd way, don't you?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Except they are passing laws that are allowing legal discrimination....
    the whole problem we are facing is, ...people who are entering business, SOME HOW BELIEVE THEY HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THEY ENTER..........this is incorrect.

    a business owner allows you a privilege on his property, and he has the right to revoke your privilege he has given you at any time.

    since he is giving you a privilege, .....the person entering has no exercisable rights......no right to be served.

    the only rights which exist are the business owners, and they are being violated by government forcing him to preform and action, against his will......which is a rights violation
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What a moronic line of reasoning. What the **** do you think food is? If grocery stores refuse to serve people they can just grow their own by this idiocy you are spreading.
    Do you live in bum**** Idaho where there's only one grocery store within a 100 miles? Tell you what, go to that one grocery store and tell the owner off and just see if you aren't banned from the premises. Get a grip.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    another problem is people have the insane idea, we are a collective society, and therefore my rights ,your rights .......henge on what the group says they are.......this is also incorrect.

    my rights to not come from you and other people, ...no citizen or citizens have the right to control other citizens........that is mob rule

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    BS alert.
    First and foremost the law would have allowed even bigoted state employees to discriminate. Second, a private hospital is as much private as a bakery and more importantly, a doctor too can have religious convictions and it is HIS service that can save your life.
    Bull**** and you haven't a clue what you're talking about. First, by Arizona constitution, so-called "bigoted" state employees couldn't discriminate any more than they do now. The state constitution trumps state law. Second, there are private hospitals/clinics that serve only a limited customer base, they don't take federal or state funds and are not obliged under vital services law. Third, that's been a hotbed question for some time now. However, the AMA and licensing boards have already rung in - if you want to keep your license you'll treat whomever is stuck in front of you.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Government is here to secure the rights of citizens, not to control their behavior and make them do what the state wants, that's not liberty.
    And to protect citizens from being abused by bigots.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, CostCo could discriminate in your view? Sam's club?
    Not as they are set up now, but if they reopened under a new declared membership rules then yes.

    How about bars that have a cover charge?
    No, they are open to the public and are ensuring a minimal consumption and they do it up front.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So what many states also had laws on the books that allowed legal segregation by individuals but then those got overturned...
    Example where an individual segregates and is now disallowed by law to do so? Are you saying I can't have men and women's dressing rooms in my business?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    And to protect citizens from being abused by bigots.

    abused........explain what that is........if it is not physical, you have no case.......language, calling you names,ignoring you..... is not a rights violation.

    and again... remember you have no exercisable rights, when your on another person's property.

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