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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no religious beliefs for "denied" they are still free to have them

    thanks for proving us right lol

    funny how history repeats its self

    its immoral for slaves to be considered people
    its immoral for women to be equals, it goes God, than man then woman
    its immoral for blacks and whites to marry

    all those insane and mentally inept arguments failed then and they fail today, you dont get to infringe on the rights of others, sorry you want to so bad but you dont

    equal rights is winning
    If you can't practice them you have lost them. You call allowing them to be who they are in their homes and place of worship as sufficient. Just not in the public square. Bull crap.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    I wonder why did this idea that business owners should be able to discriminate against anyone for any reason, religion, race, sex, etc only come to such prominence among conservatives only recently? Was it because suddenly these anti-discrimination laws were beginning to apply to homosexuals too? And to avoid the obvious hypocrisy of having anti-discrimination laws against religion, race, sex, etc but not against sexuality they determined all such discrimination laws had to go?

    Hmmmm?

    HMMMMMMMMMMM?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)If you can't practice them you have lost them.
    2.) You call allowing them to be who they are in their homes and place of worship is sufficient. Just not in the public square. Bull crap.
    1.) they are free to practice them this is why they arent lost, thank you again for proving us right
    2.) nope I never said that one time LMAO why do you post lies and make stuff up. They are allowed in public to they just cant infringe on others rights. its a VERY simple concept.

    you want SPECIAL treatment sorry you dont get special treatment you get the same rights we all have

    you got any answers to the questions yet? no i didn't think so
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You must have found the sane ones. A clear majority of Republicans, even in the year 2014, oppose gay marriage rights.
    I think most Republicans would support gay marriage as long as there was a freedom of religion clause that says religions won't be punished for not allowing it in their churches/synagogues/mosques....Take away the fear that religious freedom is being taken away and I don't think there would be a problem.

    I am not religious myself and have absolutely no problem supporting gay marriage....What two consenting adults do is none of my business.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    like i said earlier there are milling of GOPers that support equal rights

    youll never hear or read me saying otherwise

    in fact i correct people when the make blanket statements like that

    stereotypically GOPers are against it, maybe even the majority are but most certainly not all of them
    Sometimes, it seems some folks don't socially mix with enough conservatives; I suppose though if one only knows a few and those few are perceived as rather extreme it could bias one's opinion.



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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Here is a 10 question quiz to help one figure out if their religious freedom is being trampled on...


    1. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) I am not allowed to go to a religious service of my own choosing.
    B) Others are allowed to go to religious services of their own choosing.

    2. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) I am not allowed to marry the person I love legally, even though my religious community blesses my marriage.
    B) Some states refuse to enforce my own particular religious beliefs on marriage on those two guys in line down at the courthouse.

    3. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) I am being forced to use birth control.
    B) I am unable to force others to not use birth control.

    4. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) I am not allowed to pray privately.
    B) I am not allowed to force others to pray the prayers of my faith publicly.

    5. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) Being a member of my faith means that I can be bullied without legal recourse.
    B) I am no longer allowed to use my faith to bully gay kids with impunity.

    6. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) I am not allowed to purchase, read or possess religious books or material.
    B) Others are allowed to have access books, movies and websites that I do not like.

    7. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) My religious group is not allowed equal protection under the establishment clause.
    B) My religious group is not allowed to use public funds, buildings and resources as we would like, for whatever purposes we might like.

    8. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) Another religious group has been declared the official faith of my country.
    B) My own religious group is not given status as the official faith of my country.

    9. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) My religious community is not allowed to build a house of worship in my community.
    B) A religious community I do not like wants to build a house of worship in my community.

    10. My religious liberty is at risk because:

    A) I am not allowed to teach my children the creation stories of our faith at home.
    B) Public school science classes are teaching science.

    Scoring key:

    If you answered "A" to any question, then perhaps your religious liberty is indeed at stake. You and your faith group have every right to now advocate for equal protection under the law. But just remember this one little, constitutional, concept: this means you can fight for your equality -- not your superiority.

    If you answered "B" to any question, then not only is your religious liberty not at stake, but there is a strong chance that you are oppressing the religious liberties of others. This is the point where I would invite you to refer back to the tenets of your faith, especially the ones about your neighbors.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    1.)I think most Republicans would support gay marriage as long as there was a freedom of religion clause that says religions won't be punished for not allowing it in their churches/synagogues/mosques....
    2.)Take away the fear that religious freedom is being taken away and I don't think there would be a problem.
    3.)I am not religious myself and have absolutely no problem supporting gay marriage....What two consenting adults do is none of my business.
    1.) this already exists its in the constitution but if the conspiracy theorist need that id gladly put it in there i have ZERO problem with it because if it was ever tries id fight against it just as hard as i fight for equal rights..

    the "church" has ever single right to discriminate because religious marriage has nothing to do with legal marriage.

    2.)the fear is nonsensical and should exist but id gladly do it

    3.) thats good, im christian and totally support equal rights because it has nothing to do with anything religious that matters in regard to rights, freedom , country and liberty
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The Oregon Constitution addresses religious beliefs not be denied also but that didn't stop the judge from finding the bakery owners in violation. The New Mexico Constitution did the same but the photographer was found guilty by another federal judge. This legislation was a way of putting into place a law that could not be easily overturned by another federal activist judge. A person's religion starts at home, it is more than a religion per say, it is a way of life. It plays a major role on how this person runs his business. But even if she had signed it, before the ink was dry, the gay rights activist groups had their posse of lawyers in waiting and an activist judge already picked out to hear the case. We are going to need action from Congress on this one to protect religious freedoms for all persons.
    Right wing commentators and even the owners themselves apparently have a very poor understanding of business law. This has never been an issue of religious freedom. There is no law stating that a person cannot discriminate against x, y, or z. Public accommodation laws apply to businesses not to people. The people involved in these lawsuits, a baker and photographer, were named because they are the owners of an unincorporated business. Under the law, the owners of an unincorporated business and the business itself are the same legal entity. This means that the owners are legally liable for everything that goes on with/in their business including violations of public accommodation law and especially if they are the ones breaking the law in their official capacity as the owner of the business. They are not required under the law to personally provide services which they find objectionable, but the business is.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Sometimes, it seems some folks don't socially mix with enough conservatives; I suppose though if one only knows a few and those few are perceived as rather extreme it could bias one's opinion.



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    you are correct and unfortunately those people are also ignorant enough to think those few speak for the group which is totally illogical
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) they are free to practice them this is why they arent lost, thank you again for proving us right
    2.) nope I never said that one time LMAO why do you post lies and make stuff up. They are allowed in public to they just cant infringe on others rights. its a VERY simple concept.

    you want SPECIAL treatment sorry you dont get special treatment you get the same rights we all have

    you got any answers to the questions yet? no i didn't think so

    Fine then when the KKK wants a black caterer to service one of their events, no doubt you will be there to tell the black man he must do it because he has no right to ask for special treatment.

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