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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    So a baker can not make a cake, can a gas station refuse gas? Can a supermarket refuse service? What about a laundromat? I mean really this is ridiculous and the distinctions are not clear at all. You're implying discrimination is ok in anything not government or "vital". I think you've realized this line of thinking is a disaster and now you're trying to pull back.
    Nope to that last. You're almost understanding the country you've lived in for what I assume is decades now. Yes, a gas station can and should be able to refuse to sell you gas. A supermarket can and should be able to refuse to sell you food.

    The distinction for vital services are enshrined in law, sorry if you find anything unclear in that. And I am not implying it, I'm saying it.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    So I'll assume you want some or all of the 1964 Civil Rights Act repealed?
    the 1964 civil rights act is legal only in the sense, when it applies to government.

    government has no authority over the people, unless they violate the rights of another citizen, or cause a health and saftey concern.

    when a citizen is on another citizens property, ...a citizen, has no EXERCISABLE rights at all.

    a citizen cant excise a right on someones property.... unless the property owner gives his permission.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    LoL now you won't even explain yourself anymore even though your positions contradict each other, I think we're done here.
    Nothing about my position contradicts itself. I was very clear in my argument, and as I said, private enterprise is not government.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    CostCo and Sam's Club have membership fees but that doesn't actually make them a "private club." They're a business, like the bar with a cover.
    No difference between CostCo charging a membership (btw, you don't just buy the membership but also apply to join) and a golf course doing the same. The private golf course is also a business.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Anti-discrimination laws do.
    Yes, everyone already knew that captain.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Fed gov and state Gov..
    yes, and it applies to local government also, a city government cannot discriminate, ..because government works for the people.

    how can a government discriminate against the very people it works for?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope to that last. You're almost understanding the country you've lived in for what I assume is decades now. Yes, a gas station can and should be able to refuse to sell you gas. A supermarket can and should be able to refuse to sell you food.

    The distinction for vital services are enshrined in law, sorry if you find anything unclear in that. And I am not implying it, I'm saying it.
    Oh really? I didn't know you could discriminate for any reason... gays can be banned from gas stations huh...?, what about blacks, them too?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Anti-discrimination laws do.
    anti-discrimination laws are not constitutional law........constitutional law is supreme.


    it is unconstitutional , by the 13th amendment.... for government to force a citizen to serve another citizen....that is involuntary servitude.

    involuntary servitude can only take place if a citizen has been convicted of a crime.

    discriminate is not criminal.

    13th--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the 1964 civil rights act is legal only in the sense, when it applies to government.

    government has no authority over the people, unless they violate the rights of another citizen, or cause a health and saftey concern.

    when a citizen is on another citizens property, ...a citizen, has no EXERCISABLE rights at all.

    a citizen cant excise a right on someones property.... unless the property owner gives his permission.
    So you're saying the 1964 act is partially illegal?

    he Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark piece of civil rights legislation in the United States[4] that outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.[5] It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as "public accommodations").

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Nothing about my position contradicts itself. I was very clear in my argument, and as I said, private enterprise is not government.
    LoL you found a red herring to cling to and haven't let go since.

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