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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, the amendment does not address states passing laws to allow private individuals to discriminate. You're reaching pretty hard with this one, and while the Supreme Court might agree with you at some point, logic does not.
    the 14th amendment basically states that all U.S. Citizens, regardless of race, have the same rights and will be offered the same lives as any other.


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by thedemsocialist View Post
    a state allowing discrimination is depriving....
    a state government cannot discriminate.

    But a state has no powers per a constitution to control the behavior of a citizen because he does not like another citizen.

    Government is here to secure the rights of citizens, not to control their behavior and make them do what the state wants, that's not liberty.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Private clubs can discriminate. Maybe you didn't know that.
    So, CostCo could discriminate in your view? Sam's club? How about bars that have a cover charge?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Private clubs can discriminate. Maybe you didn't know that.
    Putting conditions on when and when someone can not control the use of their property is a violation of property rights. There is no reason to accept that only private clubs can discriminate. None.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No...
    LoL now you won't even explain yourself anymore even though your positions contradict each other, I think we're done here.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by thedemsocialist View Post
    the 14th amendment basically states that all u.s. Citizens, regardless of race, have the same rights and will be offered the same lives as any other.
    its states.... That government will treat them equally, not other people.

    Constitutions do not apply to people...

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a state government cannot discriminate.
    Of course they can and they have in the past with legal segregation laws.


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    the 14th amendment basically states that all U.S. Citizens, regardless of race, have the same rights and will be offered the same lives as any other.
    You do realize that this argument of yours is absurd on its face, right? Denying the right to people to control their property violates the very meaning of what you just told me. Try again?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, CostCo could discriminate in your view? Sam's club? How about bars that have a cover charge?
    CostCo and Sam's Club have membership fees but that doesn't actually make them a "private club." They're a business, like the bar with a cover.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its states.... That government will treat them equally, not other people.

    Constitutions do not apply to people...
    Anti-discrimination laws do.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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