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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ah..yes. Well then, yes, there is no difference between one group of people and another here.
    So you support racist laws?


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Providing someone the service of my company does not have any effect on my religion. and if what you say is true, why just the gays, there are lots of sinners out there getting married. Soon as I hear of ChickFilA refusing to serve gluttons let me know.
    Your religion is not the only religion nor do you strike me as a strict adherent. That last is a silly strawman.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I will stand by human rights forever. I suppose however you can oppose them forever if you want.



    One thing that I like a lot about this veto is that Rush Limbaugh doesn't like it.

    That tells me that it's a really good thing.

    More about Rushbo here: Rush Limbaugh, right radio split over veto - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com




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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Are you for real? Where have you been for decades, under some rock?
    It's called reality. All business is open to only those the owner wants in. Law can not change the underlining realities of a situation.

    BS
    Want to prove it's BS?

    You have no clue about the Constitution.
    Really? So the 1st amendment and the 13th amendment don't exist? Interesting.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    I get it, you are just antigovernment. But I believe many conservative areas in the county (like AZ) would revert to the US of the 50's if not for the civil rights atcs. I don't think I would much like that America.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never even suggested that only gays have no right to the service, property, association, or labor of other human being. What I said, is that NO ONE has the right to the service, property, association, or labor of another human being.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I get it, you are just antigovernment. But I believe many conservative areas in the county (like AZ) would revert to the US of the 50's if not for the civil rights atcs. I don't think I would much like that America.
    I've heard that before, but it was regional in the 50s. There were parts of the country where life was pretty damn good for folks of all colors. I lived in one such.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So you support racist laws?
    Racist laws? No, I support there being no laws on the matter of who the business wants to serve, allow on their property, to associate with, to provide their labor, or of who they will hire and who they will fire.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    How so? The photographer did not want to take pictures of a gay wedding and argued freedom of religion. Even the governor pointed out no Arizona citizen's religious rights had ever been violated when she vetoed the bill. If the "Christians" don't want to provide services for gay wedding because it is a sin, then selling gluttons excessive amounts of food is a sin just the same...
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    Your religion is not the only religion nor do you strike me as a strict adherent. That last is a silly strawman.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I get it, you are just antigovernment. But I believe many conservative areas in the county (like AZ) would revert to the US of the 50's if not for the civil rights atcs. I don't think I would much like that America.
    Look dude, people will be assholes and fools, but that doesn't mean they are violating your rights. You can't just impose on people and say it is a human right. The core principle of human rights is that people have the right to be free of the aggression of others, not that they are subject to their aggression. You can not use the government to impose on people and sit there and say "it's my right". No, it's not your right, and it will never be your right. You're wrong.

    Oh, and when I say aggression it means invasion, not being mean or hurting your feelings and refusing to be your slave.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    How so? The photographer did not want to take pictures of a gay wedding and argued freedom of religion. Even the governor pointed out no Arizona citizen's religious rights had ever been violated when she vetoed the bill. If the "Christians" don't want to provide services for gay wedding because it is a sin, then selling gluttons excessive amounts of food is a sin just the same...
    I responded to what YOU posted:

    Providing someone the service of my company does not have any effect on my religion. and if what you say is true, why just the gays, there are lots of sinners out there getting married. Soon as I hear of ChickFilA refusing to serve gluttons let me know.
    Once again, there are many more religions than just yours and many more flavors of christianity than yours. In some of those, providing for a gay marriage, the event, is indeed against their religious principles.

    As to the strawman you wish to defend - ChikFilA serves gay folks all the time. They have no policy against serving homosexuals food.

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