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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    well, if you want to go on defending Jim Crow, be my guest, Henrin.

    Knock your socks off.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    First, I don't know anybody who claims to be a bigoted Christian.
    Of course not, they lack the integrity to admit that, but that doe not dissolve their bigotry.

    You know where I see bigotry?
    I couldn't care less, you obviously are not looking in the right places.

    Where non Christians paint all Christians as bigots.
    You mean like the self righteous so called Christians who call those who do not share their belief sinners?
    What you fail to recognize is that bigotry in not limited or exclusive to a specific demographic.

    You saying they are doesn't make it so.
    It is not my "saying so" that betrays their bigotry it is their actions or intended actions in this case.

    In fact, it makes you look like the bigot.
    I really do not care how I look to someone who defends bigotry, the important thing is that I am not one.

    We're not talking about people wanted to be treated fairly and with dignity, we're talking about a small percentage of the population wanted to be treated as a protected special class while CLAIMING they want equality.
    BS. In thins case gays wish do not wish to be treated in any other way than everyone else.

    If you wanted equality you would be happy to be treated like everybody else.
    Yet self righteous so called Christians want to treat them differently. That is why they are bigots.

    But at the same time, you are bigoted and narrow minded.
    Because I do n want anyone treated differently? Maybe you do not know what bigotry and narrow mindedness is while displaying it yourself.

    Equality in this case would be being treated the same way you treat others.
    Yet the law that was proposed would allow them to treat some differently.

    If you were treated by others as you treat them you would be upset.
    No, that is all I wish.

    The bill was not about a cake, it was about people not being forced to act against their religious beliefs.
    Then they should not put themselves into that situation which they did by opening a business to the public.

    Once again, a bill that was supposed to protect religious beliefs was turned in to something that was against the gay community.
    Because it was against the gay community under the guise of religious freedom. Nobody assaulted or even brought into play their beliefs.

    The two are not mutually exclusive.
    But to some bigots it seem to be so.

    The problem is that you are so self centered that everything is about you.
    It has nothing to do with me, it has everything to do with legitimizing discrimination or bigotry by zealots.

    Go ahead, keep pointing the finger at others and insisting they are out to get you
    Nobody said they are out to get anybody, including the gays. They just wanted to legitimize their bigoted views.

    and see how long it takes for them to get tired of ignoring your punk ass and turn around and stomp it.
    They are welcome to try.

    Just like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP, you are escalating a small problem into something bigger than it needs to be to suit your own selfish agenda.
    I do not have an agenda and could care less about the reverends. But it is clear that religious zealots do have one even though it is clearly failing.

    Grow up.
    I did, long time ago.

    The world does not revolve around you no matter how special you think you are.
    I never said it did and fortunately it does not revolve around bigots and their lackey defenders no matter how much they think it should in order to placate their religious beliefs.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    well, if you want to go on defending Jim Crow, be my guest, Henrin.

    Knock your socks off.
    I was unaware we were talking about Jim Crow. Do you understand the difference between private industry and the government? Apparently not.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Providing someone the service of my company does not have any effect on my religion. and if what you say is true, why just the gays, there are lots of sinners out there getting married. Soon as I hear of ChickFilA refusing to serve gluttons let me know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's sad that people are talking about rights like property, labor, service, association, and the right to practice ones religion in 2014? What is sad is that people like you are still arguing that rights come from aggression towards the person or property of others.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I was unaware we were talking about Jim Crow. Do you understand the difference between private industry and the government? Apparently not.
    Jim Crow laws included a patchwork of laws that included private businesses. You're also here complaing about Heart of Atlanta v US, which was the landmark ruling that upheld the CRA and helped put an end to Jim Crow.

    This recent (now vetoed) law in AZ would make it legal to discriminate against anyone for religious reasons, in public businesses and even state services.

    Similar. Different time. Different hate-fest.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is no such thing as a business open to the public.
    Are you for real? Where have you been for decades, under some rock?

    It's a legal concept forced on business, but not one that exists in real life.
    BS

    All the rights these laws violate however are real, and many of them are protected by the Constitution by amendment.
    You have no clue about the Constitution.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Exactly. If I don't have any rights if I'm a business owner than **** the entire thing. If the government wants to run my business instead of ME, the owner, than let society do without my business, and lets see how well they do when everyone says **** this ****.
    You are deluding yourself. There are plenty of decent people who are not bigoted and are more than happy to serve the public. You will not be missed.

    Liberals talk of treating people equally, but what about the business owner? Did they forgot they are human beings too?
    Nobody forgets anything, but being a business owner is not a license for discrimination.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I have heard that there are plenty of LGBT groups that would love to be a part of drafting new versions of these bills so that religious liberties can be protected and incidents like the Cake Shop Owner and Wedding Photographer will not happen in other states. Instead of being adversarial, why not include gay rights folks so that we can have legislation that genuinely seeks to secure religious liberty rather than just trying to strip gay rights under the guise of religion? Freedom of association should be a public discussion, not a partisan issue.
    The only room for compromise I can envision is exemptions for sole proprietors with no employees or only one or two employees, and/or companies without a fixed place of business. I would never accept a business that is generally open to the public practicing racial, religious etc. discrimination legally.

    Interestingly, sole proprietors and companies without a fixed place of business can easily get away with discrimination if they simply claim that they are already booked or otherwise unavailable to provide a service. Businesses can also transform themselves into private membership clubs if they want to exclude people.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Providing someone the service of my company does not have any effect on my religion. and if what you say is true, why just the gays, there are lots of sinners out there getting married. Soon as I hear of ChickFilA refusing to serve gluttons let me know.
    I never even suggested that only gays have no right to the service, property, association, or labor of other human being. What I said, is that NO ONE has the right to the service, property, association, or labor of another human being.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The only room for compromise I can envision is exemptions for sole proprietors with no employees or only one or two employees, and/or companies without a fixed place of business. I would never accept a business that is generally open to the public practicing racial, religious etc. discrimination legally.

    Interestingly, sole proprietors and companies without a fixed place of business can easily get away with discrimination if they simply claim that they are already booked or otherwise unavailable to provide a service. Businesses can also transform themselves into private membership clubs if they want to exclude people.
    Your compromise is rejected and many of your points are false.

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