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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    While you might disagree, this country has decided that a business holding out to the public is subject to stricter oversight and regulation. No amount of religious fervor gets your restaurant out of food safety laws. Adding to that, discrimination on the basis of certain characteristics has been made illegal because of the harm it causes to society.
    Harms society? Dude, society is just a collection of people with individual rights. Society is not it's own entity with it's own rights that we have to consider.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Nice colors. Did you understand the part of "valid laws"? If a state puts into practice laws that violates the Constitutional Rights of others it is not valid and should be challenged.
    When federal judges start basing their opinions on "hurt feelings" as in the case of the Colorado baker, over constitutional law something is very wrong and should be challenged.

    This is much more that religious rights, but the violation of expression of free speech and property rights. For what is the purpose of the First Amendment if it is not going to protect all? Sexual Orientation discrimination laws need to be defined in the originalist view of the Constitution. Not some living breathing rendition that anyone can make it to mean whatever they want it to.
    Let me guess. You think the Civil Rights Act and the various states' versions of Civil Rights Acts are not valid.

    Originalists view? The same original Constitution that deemed blacks 3/5th of a person and referred to them as property? That's the original Originalists view.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Let me guess. You think the Civil Rights Act and the various states' versions of Civil Rights Acts are not valid.

    Originalists view? The same original Constitution that deemed blacks 3/5th of a person and referred to them as property? That's the original Originalists view.
    Yeah, that Constitution. You know the one that was amended the correct way rather than simply re-interpretted by a few.

    Not to mention, I don't think you understand what that 3/5s thing was all about.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, that Constitution. You know the one that was amended the correct way rather than simply re-interpretted by a few.

    Not to mention, I don't think you understand what that 3/5s thing was all about.
    Also not mentioning that he clearly has no idea the actions that were taken on slavery before the Constitution was even ratified.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Let me guess. You think the Civil Rights Act and the various states' versions of Civil Rights Acts are not valid.

    Originalists view? The same original Constitution that deemed blacks 3/5th of a person and referred to them as property? That's the original Originalists view.
    OMG no wonder we have such ridiculous flaming comments about this whole bill being anti-gay to people with religious convictions are hateful bigots. Geesh.

    For your information- the “three-fifths clause” found in Article I, section 2, clause 3. Contrary to what you and some revisionist historians claim, the “three-fifths clause” is a clear indication that a number of our constitutional founders wanted to end slavery; it is not a statement about personhood. The Northern states did not want to count slaves. The Southern states hoped to include slaves in the population statistics in order to acquire additional representation in Congress to advance their political position. If you knew your history this would be obvious. The issue of slavery was a major concern at the Constitutional Convention and was discussed at length in the debates. A significant minority of the delegates to the Federal Convention were staunch opponents of slavery, primarily those who adhered to the Federalist philosophy. Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton opposed slavery. John Jay, who would become the first Chief Justice of the United States, was president of the New York anti-slavery society. Northern Federalist leaders Rufus King and governor Morris were outspoken opponents of slavery and the slave trade.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Should business be allowed to refuse to provide services because of race?
    Should you be able to boycott Chick-fil-A?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Should you be able to boycott Chick-fil-A?
    That's not the same as withholding service from someone based on an innate trait they cannot control.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, that Constitution. You know the one that was amended the correct way rather than simply re-interpretted by a few.

    Not to mention, I don't think you understand what that 3/5s thing was all about.
    I'm pretty sure I do.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I'm pretty sure I do.
    You didn't show it.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Also not mentioning that he clearly has no idea the actions that were taken on slavery before the Constitution was even ratified.
    G'head...tell us about it.

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