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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Political or social affiliation is not a protected classification.
    I don't know why some people have such a hard time understanding this.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Its not anti-gay. It was an attempt to expanded to individuals an existing law that's been on the books since 1999, which was put into place by numerous states following the overturning of the Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act in 1997, which was signed into law in 1993 following a near unanimous vote in both chambers of Congress.
    Except the people who scripted and sponsored it specifically said the bill was written in response to the NM same-sex commitment ceremony / photographer case.

    Oh, and the people that helped the legislature to craft it (Center for Arizona Policy and the Scottsdale-based Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF)) are virulently anti-gay.

    To say it was not anti-gay is a fig leaf. The authors own words belie that chestnut.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    So good then I can right you down for one that would never tolerate bigotry toward those who believe in marriage to be between a man and a woman and you would never support such bigotry as a gay couple going to a Christian baker and demanding "you bake us a cake or else"!

    Like I stated earlier, this will take an act of Congress to insure all American's rights are being upheld and not trumped for another.
    Congress has an opportunity to protect religious liberty and the rights of conscience at the federal level. Policy should prohibit the government from discriminating against any individual or group, whether nonprofit or for-profit, based on their beliefs that marriage is the union of a man and woman. The Marriage and Religious Freedom Act, sponsored by Representative Raul Labrador (R., Idaho) in the House (H.R. 3133) with 100 co-sponsors of both parties and sponsored by Senator Mike Lee (R., Utah) in the Senate (S. 1808) with 17 co-sponsors, would give such protection. May the Republicans gain the Senate and maintain the House this 2014 election and the White House in 2016.
    LOL....ridiculous argument. Can your reasoning be any more circular? Sorry....by tolerance does not require one to be tolerant of the intolerant. There is nothing "bigoted" about requiring businesses to act in a non-bigoted manner. Try again.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    To follow up on my last: the group behind the crafting of this bill was the right-wing Center for Arizona Policy and the Scottsdale-based Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF).

    They have an extreme anti-gay history.

    For example:

    "In its earlier incarnation as the Alliance Defense Fund, ADF filed a brief supporting anti-sodomy laws in Lawrence v. Texas, the 2003 case in which the U.S. Supreme Court struck down laws criminalizing gay sex. The organization has defended state bans on marriage equality and represented business owners who refused to serve gay couples. ADF has also opposed anti-bullying efforts in public schools and declared that a gay-inclusive Boy Scouts of America would be an assault on religious liberty."

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    "But in an interview with ADF attorney Kellie Fiedorek on the February 24 edition of New Day, Cuomo refused to let ADF escape scrutiny. Like other supporters of the measure, Fiedorek dodged uncomfortable questions about whether the bill would allow businesses to discriminate against gay customers.


    But when Fiedorek compared requiring businesses to serve gay customers to asking a Muslim to participate in a burning of the Koran or an African-American to photograph a KKK rally, Cuomo pushed back, noting the ADF's record of defending anti-gay discrimination:"

    See the video at the link.


    Watch CNN's Cuomo Call Out The Extremist Group Behind Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill

    Have a look at some of the **** this group has been behind:

    Meet Alliance Defending Freedom, Fox&#39;s Favorite Anti-LGBT Legal Organization | Equality Matters

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You support policing thought?
    Not at all. Policing actions is not the same as policing thought. People have every right in the world to be as bigoted as they want to be. However, if you choose to practice a business in the United States, you are not allowed to impose that bigotry on others.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    What would make Arizona happy? Hetro only water foutains?
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What would make Arizona happy? Hetro only water foutains?
    What is this... 1980? People don't use water fountains when bottled flavored water is available.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    AZ sounds pretty retro, just sayin...

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    The burden of proof that the denial of services would rest entirely on the offended. If you can not prove that you were denied service because you are gay you will have to eat the court costs and the cost of defense.

    "He refused me service because he is Christian and I'm gay!"

    "He clearly stated he prayed for your soul. He had your best interests in mind. Case dismissed."


    If the gay community is going to continue to troll Christians, expect to get trolled. And there are more Christians than homosexuals. The law itself said nothing about homosexuals. It's only two pages, read it. As a Christian I am more than willing to be tolerant of a lifestyle I don't agree with, but if you are going to be militantly against my beliefs you can expect to get push back. And before anyone starts slinging scripture about turning the other cheek, keep in mind that Jesus turned over tables and chased the money changers out of the temple with a whip. Keep in mind that Islam preaches against homosexuality as well. It is not at all surprising that liberals who talk about being fair, being civil and treating everyone the same are the loudest and angriest finger pointers in the argument. MOST Christians are not outwardly hostile to gays. But if you keep screaming that they are, expect them to come after you. Not because you are gay but because you are an intolerant asshole.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Political or social affiliation is not a protected classification.
    Thats whats wrong with Liberalisn. You people want to protect some rights, but not all rights. Its always the rights of those you agree with. Liberalism is the opposite side of the Jim Crow coin.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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