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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We kiss our rights good bye more and more, everyday.
    I think Brewer did the right thing in this case.

    The idea that this bill was intended to serve is a worthwhile one but the bill itself was bound to create more problems than it fixed.

    Arizona public accommodations law doesn't protect homosexuals now and we haven't had any problems because of that. We also haven't had any cases where the problem that this bill sought to solve has come up. In essence, it was a solution in search of a problem.

    Furthermore, a law such as this simply BEGS the 'crusaders' on both sides of the fence to come out and we really don't need that either. In fact this bill would have created a situation where any exercise of the option to refuse service would result in a conflict with our state constitution.

    Article 2, Section 12 of the Arizona Constitution states:

    Section 12. The liberty of conscience secured by the provisions of this constitution shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace and safety of the state. No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise, or instruction, or to the support of any religious establishment. No religious qualification shall be required for any public office or employment, nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror in consequence of his opinion on matters of religion, nor be questioned touching his religious belief in any court of justice to affect the weight of his testimony.
    To my admittedly lay reading of the bill and the Constitution I don't see how any court could make a determination in any case that came before them without addressing the religious beliefs of at least one of the parties when protections under SB 1062 were claimed.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Imagine, a GOP Governor did that.

    hmmmm

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    like i said earlier there are milling of GOPers that support equal rights

    youll never hear or read me saying otherwise

    in fact i correct people when the make blanket statements like that

    stereotypically GOPers are against it, maybe even the majority are but most certainly not all of them
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
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    The day that happens I will be on your side fighting it.
    Yeah! I bet!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We kiss our rights good bye more and more, everyday.
    I bet a few slave owners said the same thing back in the day.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    like i said earlier there are milling of GOPers that support equal rights

    youll never hear or read me saying otherwise

    in fact i correct people when the make blanket statements like that

    stereotypically GOPers are against it, maybe even the majority are but most certainly not all of them
    Perhaps, as a Republican, Ms. Brewer didn't want to spend millions of taxpayer dollars fighting a hopeless battle.

    I posted this in another thread. It my seem like humor, but it isn't exactly so.

    My concern with laws of this nature, is that they can be abused.

    Anybody can start a religion. They will be tax-exempt. They can write in the rules of their religion. They can open as many as they like. They can sell memberships.

    So, I will open a series of religions. Speckleanity forbids my interaction with dark skinned people since a dark skin is the color of evil. So, buy a membership and get those pesky negroes out of your restaurant to avoid their demonic contamination. Maybe I can just package in Jews, Arabs, Heterosexuals and Homosexuals. After all, you don't have to follow your own religion all the time.

    I expect to be joining the 1% once I get this going. I'm offering a special for just $499.95 for a membership. It will take a while, that darn IRS will no doubt try o thwart me, but I can not be refused. Church and State separation is a basic tenet of the constitution, isn't it?
    Am I not correct?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah! I bet!
    And you accuse me of vilifying you?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)And I know Democrats who are against same sex marriage and a business owner's religious freedoms being violated. So what's your point?

    2.)Everyone knew Brewer was going to veto this bill
    3.)and before you do a victory lap it wasn't over gay rights but over threats from corporations like Apple and Microsoft that threatened to pull out of deals if she signed it. It was the pressure from the NFL who threatened to pull the Super Bowl from Arizona next year if she signed the bill.
    4.) It was two moderate Republicans Romney and McCain that didn't want Brewer to make any waves during an election year.
    5.) So business owners with religious convictions found favor in the state legislature of AZ but a governor who didn't see protecting their freedoms as important than making deals and appeasing the GOP establishment.
    1.) my point was there are so many of these types out there they many people are fooled to think the super vast majority of GOPers are the same way, they are not.

    i thought this was VERY obvious if you followed the conversation

    and yes im sure there are DEMs that are bigots and against equal rights, ive never met one in real life on THIS issue, but i have on others but they are the minority and they arent drowning out the others

    id say a comparable subject for liberals would be gun rights, there are millions on the left that support gun rights but there are many big retarded squeaky wheels that get the ari time

    im not sure what you dont understand..

    seem you made something up in your head that wasnt being said
    oh yeah also there were no religious freedoms being violated lol that strawman fails

    2.) not everyone but i said and so did many many others

    3.) you are free to think what ever you like nobody cares lol and even if that could be proved i still wouldnt care because its still a victory for equality and equality won
    tell me why did Apple and Microsoft and the NFL threatened to pull out of deals if she signed it. . . . . wait for it . . . .wait for it . . . they support equal rights. 6 of one, half dozen of the other

    4.) it was more than them lol

    5.) thier freedoms are still 100% intact another failed strawman

    jeez dude you are like the dark side we can all feel your anger lol
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Discrimination is not a right, welcome to the 18 ****ing 60s
    i seriously laughed out loud on that, made my daughter look at me
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I bet a few slave owners said the same thing back in the day.
    Gays are slaves?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We kiss our rights good bye more and more, everyday.
    Your rights end where other people's rights begin.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

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