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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    of course i dindt take it as you were saying your country was perfect at all

    and what really sad is what you see is NOT the majority of Americans, most american think **** like this is bat **** insane and mentally retarded also
    we laugh at those idiots

    but unfortunately the squeakiest wheels get the coverage and they inspire the game of politics instead of real people sane people but it comes in cycles and its getting better



    I'm sorry as I do understand that you are a christian, but I blame religion for the split in this country, or should I say hatred and bigotry in the name of religion....

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I must believe in the right to discriminate???????? Are you serious?? Perhaps this land of freedom is not the right land for you....
    All your rights are based on property and all of them very much provide you with all the control. The right to discriminate is a trend you will find in all the rights. Go through them if you please and you will discover I'm right.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I must believe in the right to discriminate???????? Are you serious?? Perhaps this land of freedom is not the right land for you....

    so your saying , because you don't like discrimination, ...then you and others should be able to infringe on the rights of a person who does it, by infringing on his rights.

    right to association

    right to property

    right to commerce

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is wrong libertarian's believe in liberty for everyone, however being discriminated against is not a rights infringement, by the business owner.

    you have no exercisable rights on another person's property, only privileges the owner allows you.

    liberty means , freedom to be foolish, stupid, and wrong in your personal decision making.


    Sure, as long as your freedom to be foolish, stupid or wrong does not in any way discriminate against ME.....

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I do not even attempt to be seen as admirable to people from Europe. Your views are not those that I endorse, and not those that can lead to a free country. With that in mind, it is undoubtable my actions will disappoint you. That however, is not my concern, and if you were wise you would admire freedom, not these laws.

    That's fair enough but unfortunately for you your government has been all about promoting the " American brand" of democracy worldwide for decades now and like it or not your actions are watched, admired and often judged by many people. American business profit worldwide, your media is everywhere as is your military so obviously anything you do will be subject to review whether you like it or not. Unlike many of my country men I still look to the US for guidance and with such pressing matters at hand like Syria and Ukraine and in my opinion the US is still the world leader.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Sure, as long as your freedom to be foolish, stupid or wrong does not in any way discriminate against ME.....
    you were asked, what right of yours is being violated, when you are discriminated against.

    you have failed to provide us with that information.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which right did I violate of yours by discriminating against you?


    My right as an American citizen to get services from a business that is open to the public...I am the public..

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is not a right.


    It IS a law....the law has been violated..

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All your rights are based on property and all of them very much provide you with all the control. The right to discriminate is a trend you will find in all the rights. Go through them if you please and you will discover I'm right.

    What do you mean when you state that all my rights are based on property? How?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying , because you don't like discrimination, ...then you and others should be able to infringe on the rights of a person who does it, by infringing on his rights.

    right to association

    right to property

    right to commerce


    Discrimination is against the law.. You do not have the right to break the law by infringing on my rights...

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