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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    You are not making any sense...You are saying that there should be no state or local laws or regulations on business..
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, you are twisting that very badly. To argue that government force that imposes on me to serve all somehow provides me a human right is absurd. Obviously, the only way the government can protect my rights in who I desire to serve is if they didn't impose on me at all.


    Sounds a lot like anarchy to me... No government imposition......

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    These bills always amaze me as an outsider America was founded on basic freedom and law, John Adams was very much anti British law but yet he defended the British soldiers involved in the "Boston massacre" and eventually had them acquitted. This went against his principles and put him at odds with other members most notably his own family Samuel Adams but yet he defended them and won because it was the right thing to do, this was the America I learned about in school and always looked up to. It's a shame now that basic rights can't be agreed on by either side in America that such basic rights become a battle ground again even after all the years of civil rights etc.

    America is still a country I look at to do the right thing but these bull**** debates over silly religious bills puts you back decades and hurts your global image.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Good to know what side of the civil rights struggle you would of been on.
    There was more than two sides, so please tell me which one you are referring to.


    The person i quoted.
    There isn't a name given to the quote on my computer screen. :/ Is there supposed to be?




    I'm really proud that the majority of the country agrees with me when im proud to say that our country is moving away from a pathetic argument that argues in favor of signs like these at businesses
    Yes, they have the right to control access and use of their property. The sign serves the public well as it shows us where not to shop. I like when people tell the world they're stupid and hateful. That way I know, and can easily avoid them.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Sometimes I'll seem completely bi-polar on the issue NIMBY. I don't oppose SSM but I also support religious liberty. I think you have to recognize that sometimes two people's Constitutional rights will collide and one will have to be given more weight and deference. It seems to me right now that religious freedom is the one that will always lose out and I cannot help but to find that concerning.
    I respectfully disagree. They have the right to their religion, but do not have the right to force those beliefs down the throats of others. That's where the establishment clause comes in. Nobody has the right to pass laws that force religious doctrine upon others, and for a restaurant owner to refuse to serve a patron, based only upon his religious beliefs, and can have someone who he does not like arrested in the name of his religious beliefs, is unconstitutional. And is that religious belief he has really in the name of Jesus? Of course not. When Jesus came to this earth, he did not mingle with the holier-than-thou crowd. He went to prisons, hung out with prostitutes and thieves, and even converted Paul, who had persecuted and even killed Christians in Palestine. When we meet our maker at the end of days, there will be plenty of shame heaped upon those who use religion to justify their hatred of others.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Sounds a lot like anarchy to me... No government imposition......
    It doesn't sound like anarchy at all. Government regulations on business do not protect human rights, but violate them, by imposing on innocent parties, and not allowing those offenders to resolve their own problems, but instead simply impose a solution to the problem that many times was not a problem at all.

    Furthermore, why are you scared of anarchy? Where has it been tried that you know of?
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I do not desire to run such a business. I desire to run my property in the way I please, and since I am not in violation of anyones rights by doing so, I'm fine.

    You are fine as long as you do not violate MY rights, or the rights of those that desire to utilize your business....

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There was more than two sides, so please tell me which one you are referring to.
    One that allows continued private business discrimination and one that didnt..

    There isn't a name given to the quote on my computer screen. :/ Is there supposed to be?
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    Yes, they have the right to control access and use of their property. The sign serves the public well as it shows us where not to shop. I like when people tell the world they're stupid and hateful. That way I know, and can easily avoid them.
    Completely disregards all federal law, and all government regulation in this country.


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    You are fine as long as you do not violate MY rights, or the rights of those that desire to utilize your business....
    By denying you service or employment? That is impossible.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Regulations are a matter of control and solution implementing imposed on business. It is not a matter of punishment of human right violations in which I desire.


    Geez, put the wine away and focus on the issue!!!

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