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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Except if I open a business. Then for some reason my property rights go out the window.


    I repeat myself here. If you have a business that is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, then you have the right to serve THE PUBLIC..

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I repeat myself here. If you have a business that is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, then you have the right to serve THE PUBLIC..
    No, you are twisting that very badly. To argue that government force that imposes on me to serve all somehow provides me a human right is absurd. Obviously, the only way the government can protect my rights in who I desire to serve is if they didn't impose on me at all.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If this is your answer then you truly do not understand basic 1st Amendment Rights. Protecting all persons religious liberty and the rights of conscience does not infringe on anyone’s sexual freedoms.
    So if my "religious beliefs say i shouldnt serve any women" or "any minorities" or anyone named "James" or "anyone that has non-aryan blood" i have every right to do that? I have every right to shove my beliefs down someones throats and not be able to serve or provide any x, y, or z service?
    Hell maybe if im a doctor and a patient comes before me: "sorry im this 'x' religion my 'religion' tells me i cant help you"

    All Americans should remain free in the public square to act in accordance with their beliefs about marriage without fear of government penalty. They should not have to compromise their beliefs just because they are part of the marketplace. But that is what you are advocating.
    "All Americans should remain free in the public square "
    -Unless your gay or go "against someones religious beliefs" in this case.....


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    As I said, the original principle of civil rights came from natural justice and then it was applied to law. You can not declare you have a civil right to someones service or labor, association, or property. It runs counter to the very idea, and in fact, violates it.

    There is also no such thing as a private business that is open to the public.


    No? Then you need to establish a private, members only business....

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if my "religious beliefs say i shouldnt serve any women" or "any minorities" or anyone named "James" or "anyone that has non-aryan blood" i have every right to do that? I have every right to shove my beliefs down someones throats and not be able to serve or provide any x, y, or z service?
    Yes. Otherwise, we are dealing in a matter of involuntary servitude.


    "All Americans should remain free in the public square "
    Who is the source of that quote?

    -Unless your gay or go "against someones religious beliefs" in this case.....
    The argument you are presented with does not challenge the quote. In fact, it enforces it.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No? Then you need to establish a private, members only business....
    I do not desire to run such a business. I desire to run my property in the way I please, and since I am not in violation of anyones rights by doing so, I'm fine.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All of which violate property rights. You can list all sorts of laws if you please, but it will get you no where.

    I do however care to challenge the first one. To require someone to have license to practice their right to start a business is in clear violation of property rights as it controls what innocent parties decide to do with their property.


    You are not making any sense...You are saying that there should be no state or local laws or regulations on business..

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if my "religious beliefs say i shouldnt serve any women" or "any minorities" or anyone named "James" or "anyone that has non-aryan blood" i have every right to do that? I have every right to shove my beliefs down someones throats and not be able to serve or provide any x, y, or z service?
    Hell maybe if im a doctor and a patient comes before me: "sorry im this 'x' religion my 'religion' tells me i cant help you"



    "All Americans should remain free in the public square "
    -Unless your gay or go "against someones religious beliefs" in this case.....
    yep if some people got thier way equal/civil/human and legal rights would be thrown right out the window lol

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes. Otherwise, we are dealing in a matter of involuntary servitude.
    Good to know what side of the civil rights struggle you would of been on.





    Who is the source of that quote?
    The person i quoted.




    The argument you are presented with does not challenge the quote. In fact, it enforces it.

    I'm really proud that the majority of the country agrees with me when im proud to say that our country is moving away from a pathetic argument that argues in favor of signs like these at businesses


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    You are not making any sense...You are saying that there should be no state or local laws or regulations on business..
    Regulations are a matter of control and solution implementing imposed on business. It is not a matter of punishment of human right violations in which I desire.

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