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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Yet you're pro choice and pro human rights.. oh and pro equal rights.. Isn't an unborn baby a human, what makes it less worthy of equal protection that you so vehemently crusade for?


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yet you're pro choice and pro human rights.. oh and pro equal rights.. Isn't an unborn baby a human, what makes it less worthy of equal protection that you so vehemently crusade for?


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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We kiss our rights good bye more and more, everyday.
    Discrimination is not a right, welcome to the 18 ****ing 60s

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its a shame to because i the super vast majority of republicans i know and religious people HATE this crap.
    they do not support it in the least

    there are MILLIONS of republicans that support equal rights for gays and totally appalled by this nonsense
    You must have found the sane ones. A clear majority of Republicans, even in the year 2014, oppose gay marriage rights.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You must have found the sane ones. A clear majority of Republicans, even in the year 2014, oppose gay marriage rights.
    now that may very well be true, i have to admit i dont know, cant remember if ive ever seen polling on it


    but millions support equal rights and in my personal life they either dont talk about it or are for it

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Discrimination is not a right, welcome to the 18 ****ing 60s
    Before we know it, churches will be forced, by law to perform gay marriages. You can bet your butt that religious freedom is a right.

    Discromination is very much a right, especially on private property.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor - chicagotribune.com




    back up links:

    Arizona governor vetoes anti-gay bill
    Arizona Governor Jan Brewer Vetoes Anti-Gay Bill - NBC News
    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes so-called anti-gay bill - latimes.com
    Arizona governor vetoes controversial bill allowing denial of service to gays
    Arizona Governor Vetoes Bill Seen Discriminating Against Gays - Businessweek
    Jan Brewer Announces Veto Of Arizona Anti-Gay Bill SB 1062
    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes anti-gay bill | MSNBC
    Arizona governor vetoes anti-gay bill - Chicago Sun-Times


    vetoed just like i thought and said it would be


    equality wins again


    again it shows the panic and fear of the bigots and those that support discrimination and are against equal rights. They see the writing on the wall, they know equal rights is winning and is going to win the war so they are getting desperate.

    The best part is, even if they win some of these little battles its things like this that are actually HELPING equal rights. The majority of the public eye judges it as wrong and see how nuts it is. But it establishes something that can be challenged in courts just like the state bannings. The vast majority of the lawsuits exist BECAUSE of state bannings lol. The bannings HELPED, its sweet poetic justice.

    THeres some other state trying these i hope they get some momentum behind them to draw more of the public eye on this insanity.
    Imagine, a GOP Governor did that.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Before we know it, churches will be forced, by law to perform gay marriages.
    ...

    The day that happens I will be on your side fighting it.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I have heard that there are plenty of LGBT groups that would love to be a part of drafting new versions of these bills so that religious liberties can be protected and incidents like the Cake Shop Owner and Wedding Photographer will not happen in other states. Instead of being adversarial, why not include gay rights folks so that we can have legislation that genuinely seeks to secure religious liberty rather than just trying to strip gay rights under the guise of religion? Freedom of association should be a public discussion, not a partisan issue.
    Until you can find a reason to allow that cake shop owner and wedding photographer refusing to serve someone on the basis of race, then you cannot permit someone to do so on the basis of religious ideas. If you pick and choose, then you're picking and choosing one "deeply held idea" over another, and that is very very unconstitutional. How can you enshrine the idea that a god hates homosexuality but condemn the idea that a god hates dark skin? Isn't that just as much religious discrimination?

    I'm being a bit facetious, but the reality is that no matter why someone wants to discriminate against gay people, it's not alright. If discrimination is wrong, then adding a loophole for people with particularly regressive and cruel religious beliefs isn't protecting anyone's religious freedoms. It's giving special treatment to some religions by exempting them from the law against discrimination. The cake shop owner and the wedding photographer were WRONG. They are bad people who are doing cruel things to their neighbors, and no matter which authority they appeal to as an excuse, it's not alright.

    That's not religious liberty. That's enshrining one religious idea over others. That's oppressing religious liberty.
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its a shame to because i the super vast majority of republicans i know and religious people HATE this crap.
    they do not support it in the least

    there are MILLIONS of republicans that support equal rights for gays and totally appalled by this nonsense
    And I know Democrats who are against same sex marriage and a business owner's religious freedoms being violated. So what's your point? Everyone knew Brewer was going to veto this bill and before you do a victory lap it wasn't over gay rights but over threats from corporations like Apple and Microsoft that threatened to pull out of deals if she signed it. It was the pressure from the NFL who threatened to pull the Super Bowl from Arizona next year if she signed the bill. It was two moderate Republicans Romney and McCain that didn't want Brewer to make any waves during an election year. So business owners with religious convictions found favor in the state legislature of AZ but a governor who didn't see protecting their freedoms as important than making deals and appeasing the GOP establishment.

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