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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Actually, you have to cut the bs and acknowledge that, under the law, a business is not entitled to a freedom of religion and the owner's rights under the law extend only to their own person and not to the business. There are different kinds of businesses for this reason. If you want a business which can legally discriminate then either start a non-profit or a private membership.
    The business is their property, so therefore, their rights DO extend to their business. The very fact you are sitting here arguing the law as if it has merit is sad and stupid. People have the RIGHT to own property and they have the right to control that property. There is no merit to any law that says otherwise, none.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

    WOW! lol

    this was already discussed earlier today but whats awesome about your post is you just proved to everybody reading how severely uneducated you are on this specific topic

    now lets start with how HUGE of a failure your post is since you obviously have ZERO clue about rights and the law and illegal discrimination etc. We knew this already but this post confirms it.

    1.) this is what ILLEGAL discrimaintion is, its discrimination based on age, disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or in some cases sexual orientation
    this applies to us ALL

    2.) the KKK is NONE of those things, unless in that particular state the KKK is recognized as a religion there is no illegal discrimination going on in the scenario you just described.

    3.) the caters's race doesnt matter

    4.) if the cater denys service for any reason not on the list in number one its LEGAL

    KKK is not an age disability, origin, race/color, gender, religion or sexual orientation

    sorry your example complete fails and there is no SPECIAL rights in your scenario, facts win again, try again
    Why the KKK is most certainly a race based organization. They be all White. Wouldn't they be the flip side of the Black Panthers? So under your rules if the KKK requested a black caterer to service their event he has no right to discriminate against a white supremacy group or ask for special treatment. Brahahahahahahahaha

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I have heard that there are plenty of LGBT groups that would love to be a part of drafting new versions of these bills so that religious liberties can be protected and incidents like the Cake Shop Owner and Wedding Photographer will not happen in other states. Instead of being adversarial, why not include gay rights folks so that we can have legislation that genuinely seeks to secure religious liberty rather than just trying to strip gay rights under the guise of religion? Freedom of association should be a public discussion, not a partisan issue.
    The problem with that is i don't have any sympathy for bigot cake shop owners or wedding photographers either, regardless what book of fables they try to hide their hate behind. They can burn those places to the ground for all i care.

    So inasmuch as there's clearly many bigoted politicians, religious figures, and business owners solely wanting to piss on LGBT rights, rest assured there are many who have no problem returning the favor and rejoice when the photographer is forbidden from discriminating.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Aww..what's wrong? You don't want to face up to the fact you argue law backwards? Too bad, you do. Get used to it or stop doing it. People come first, not government. Don't like it? Don't care.
    Lol, people create the laws the government operates by - they don't get to turn around and then violate and abuse those laws. What concept of legality do you have a problem with? Actually, what part of "You don't live in a vacuum" do you have trouble with? Here is the best part:

    1. The constitution (supreme law of the land) agrees that the federal/state governments have an interest in regulating commerce.
    2. Court case after court case have agreed that the federal/state governments have an interest in regulating commerce.
    3. Legal scholars have agreed that the federal/state governments have an interest in regulating commerce.

    Why is it that you disagree with the concept of law as conceived by the people? Never mind, weren't you the guy who didn't see how using child porn hurt people?
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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good luck not violating the commerce clause, the Civil Rights Act as well as a myriad of court cases.
    Why should your civil rights trump my right to freely practice my religion? Why should the government be allowed to deny me my right to freely practice my religion?

    That's really what this bill was all about. Certain activists are trying to limit religious freedom by demanding that all decisions be made on a purely secular basis. That's totally unacceptable in a free nation and those seeking such restrictions should be really cautious because once they get what they want there has been a precedent set to dispatch with other liberties.

    Just because you agree with the totalitarians in charge doesn't mean that they aren't totalitarians.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Well, the issue really shouldn't be about religious rights, but property rights as a whole. I would strongly support a law allowing private property owners to discriminate for any reason. And no, it would not be the end of the world and slavery wouldn't appear out of thin air.
    "I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." -Thomas Sowell

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, people create the laws the government operates by - they don't get to turn around and then violate and abuse those laws. What concept of legality do you have a problem with? Actually, what part of "You don't live in a vacuum" do you have trouble with?
    No, you think that because the state has powers that peoples rights are somehow trumped by those powers. Nope, that is not how it works. My rights come first and then their powers come into play. Not the other way around. Once you get that down you might be able to defend your case for the law. Until then, good luck to you.

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The business is their property, so therefore, their rights DO extend to their business.
    No they don't. A business is a separate legal entity in all things but liability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The very fact you are sitting here arguing the law as if it has merit is sad and stupid. Learn human rights or GTFO.
    LOL. Have I stepped through the looking glass into a world where law has no merit in a legal argument?

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    Re: Arizona anti-gay bill vetoed by governor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh lawd, didn't you learn your lesson the last beating I gave you? Here's the thing: Government power is established by the people to live and abide by. If you don't like the laws the people have come up with in order to live a better society, may I suggest you piss off back into your basement? KThanks.
    That's a totalitarian point of view. Your take is that if the majority approve of something then everyone who disapproves just has to suck it up.

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