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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I agree - the silly arguments made by social cons are nothing but temper tantrums, because they know, like so many of their causes, they find themselves on the wrong side of history.
    History has a way of repeating itself and the temper tantrum you and others are throwing are going to back fire on you. We are a nation of laws and the Arizona law invoked religious freedom which is in the Constitution. You and your ilk have no business telling a private business that has their own money invested in that business who they can or cannot serve. Let the market decide and let these screwballs that refuse to serve a particular religious or other groups to go out of business because of all the lost business.

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Another CON not understand how our system works... if the courts didn't use the Constitution as a yardstick for laws states pass there would be little if any real social progress, such as racial equality. The Courts look at laws and determine if they pass Constitutional muster.

    It isn't a simple matter of citizens of a state can pass a bad law and we are done... other citizens can challenge that law IN COURT and redress their grievances.

    It works both ways as the recent Heller decision overturned a law that had been 'sacred' since 1976, enacted in response to a crack epidemic, not to keep righteous folks from having weapons (funny how the CONs love to ignore why a ban can to be)

    As a law since 1976 was overturned (and should have been) so to shall SSM bans/definitions of marriage as hetro only and 'defending hetro marriage' be history...
    Again, you totally ignore the point, marriage isn't in the Constitution nor is sexual orientation and thus it is a state issue. States have allowed SSM but that isn't good enough for you, you want the courts to finish the job for you and that is absolutely wrong and why the SC hasn't ruled on the definition of marriage.

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Show me marriage or sexual orientation in the Constitution. How does not being married affect a SSM couple and thus subject to protection under the Constitution. The state of TX authorizes civil unions and domestic partnerships. You seem to want what you want and ignore state or common law trying to force your opinions and views on others and putting into the Constitution that which isn't there
    1. Civil unions and domestic partnerships do not provide equal protection of the laws (14th amendment)
    2. Not being legally married denies the 1100+ federal benefits and protections of marriage to same sex couples. Again not equal protection of the law (14th amendment)
    3. Not all rights are enumerated in the constitution. The supreme court has deemed marriage fundamental right in 14 separate cases.

    AMENDMENT XIV

    SECTION 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    We have laws and legal protections called marriage.
    The state can not deny equal protections of the laws without showing how doing so would further a compelling state interest.
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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is a right guaranteed to two people of the opposite sex. Loving vs Va was a civil rights issue having to do with race.
    You can not deny a right to people based on GENDER. Just like you can not deny a right based on RACE.
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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    History has a way of repeating itself and the temper tantrum you and others are throwing are going to back fire on you. We are a nation of laws and the Arizona law invoked religious freedom which is in the Constitution. You and your ilk have no business telling a private business that has their own money invested in that business who they can or cannot serve. Let the market decide and let these screwballs that refuse to serve a particular religious or other groups to go out of business because of all the lost business.
    Ah, so you're against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Well alrighty then.

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    1. Civil unions and domestic partnerships do not provide equal protection of the laws (14th amendment)
    2. Not being legally married denies the 1100+ federal benefits and protections of marriage to same sex couples. Again not equal protection of the law (14th amendment)
    3. Not all rights are enumerated in the constitution. The supreme court has deemed marriage fundamental right in 14 separate cases.

    AMENDMENT XIV

    SECTION 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    We have laws and legal protections called marriage.
    The state can not deny equal protections of the laws without showing how doing so would further a compelling state interest.
    Wrong, a civil union can be whatever you want it to be as can a domestic partnership. Marriage is not an equal protection issue it is a state issue no matter how many times you state it. Exactly what benefits do married people have that cannot be provided in a civil union or domestic partnership

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    BTW: Heads up: The AZ law was vetoed.

    Too bad. So sad.

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Ah, so you're against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Well alrighty then.
    What part of stupidity don't you understand. A private business owner should be allowed to be stupid and lose their business because of that stupidity.

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    BTW: Heads up: The AZ law was vetoed.

    Too bad. So sad.
    No person who believes in free enterprise and capitalism should ever deny another business person's right to be stupid and lose their business. You seem to not understand that concept

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    Re: Texas Gay Marriage Ban Latest to Be Struck Down[W:97]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, a civil union can be whatever you want it to be as can a domestic partnership. Marriage is not an equal protection issue it is a state issue no matter how many times you state it. Exactly what benefits do married people have that cannot be provided in a civil union or domestic partnership
    Married couples have 1,138 federal rights, protections and responsibilities such as:

    • Social Security benefits upon death, disability or retirement of spouse, as well as benefits for minor children.
    • Family and Medical Leave protections to care for a new child or a sick or injured family member
    • Workers' Compensation protections for the family of a worker injured on the job
    • Access to COBRA insurance benefits so the family doesn't lose health insurance when one spouse is laid off
    • ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act) protections such as the ability to leave a pension, other than Social Security, to your spouse
    • Exemptions from penalties on IRA and pension rollovers
    • Exemptions from estate taxes when a spouse dies
    • Exemptions from federal income taxes on spouse's health insurance
    • The right to visit a sick or injured loved one, have a say in life and death matters during hospitalization. LINK

    I suspect you knew this though.

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