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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Name anyone that had an easily treatable condition that was cured by prayer rather than medicine. That is the problem. Whether they pray for their kid or not is up to them. However, you cannot choose for your kids to deny them life saving treatment and instead rely on prayer alone. Similarly, I cannot choose to quite feeding my kids and instead rely on prayer to nourish them.
    I agree although no matter what choices *I* make, prayer is always involved.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess I am gona get jumped on this, but the way I see it, unless the children are old and able enough to declare emancipation of their own free will, the parents have the absolute right to determine what if any medical treatment is appropriate. It is neither your nor my nor the states place to make that determination. These are NOT YOUR children, these children are these parents and they have the burden of responsibility to make these decisions. Would you brook someone second guessing YOUR decisions. I most certainly do not. Especially from the state. The ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. They obviously have very solid belief if they have done this a second time. The family seems to support them and their belief. I don't see this as murder or child abuse, as this works both ways as the state has done far worse far more. Case in point, the case in Massachusetts with Boston medical. Given the choice between the state and the individual I choose the individual every time.

    By the way I don't think the order by the court for the parents to seek medical care for their children is lawful as it violates first amendment protections.
    So what you are saying here is that the children are their parents property. Would you draw the line at religious sacrifice? What is the difference? I would also bet that you oppose abortion, but I could be wrong.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Jim Carrey got hit by an 18 wheeler while praying. Fortunately Morgan Freeman brought him back to life.
    While praying and 'because of' prayer are two different beasties.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Why all liberals are so kind? Or you educated in schools for vampires?
    when you decide to make some level of sense, and manage to use language that is understandable....get back to me.

    Perhaps at that point you might comprehend my political lean.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think I can fairly accurately guess those parents are on your pro-life team on the abortion issue.
    Hence the term "ironically".
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Exactly my point.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that health care-associated infections (HAI) account for an estimated 1.7 million infections and 99,000 associated deaths each year in U.S. hospitals.

    Name anyone who died because of prayer.
    Prayer won't kill people because it does nothing. It won't help someone either. If you get shot in the gut, do you want a prayer or a doctor? Even though there is some probability of greater harm in the hospital, rational folk take it over prayer because it has much much much much higher chances of benefiting the individual far beyond that which prayer would ever do.

    A prayer or a doctor, what would you take? I'm not saying people cannot pray, but if you do it in lieu of taking your child to a hospital; there could be repercussions.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Why are you intolerant bigots telling this couple how to raise their children? Until the child is old enough to be viable on its own the state has no legitimate interest in protecting its life. If you disagree with child-murder, then don't murder a child. Keep your rosaries out of her ovaries.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Why are you intolerant bigots telling this couple how to raise their children? Until the child is old enough to be viable on its own the state has no legitimate interest in protecting its life. If you disagree with child-murder, then don't murder a child. Keep your rosaries out of her ovaries.
    Well dang, with that line of thought, I should be allowed to stop feeding my daughter and pray for her nourishment. If she dies from starvation, that's my business. Piss off state!
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Well dang, with that line of thought, I should be allowed to stop feeding my daughter and pray for her nourishment. If she dies from starvation, that's my business. Piss off state!
    You realize I was being sarcastic, right?

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