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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says "get in, get in!" The religous man replies, " no I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle."

    Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in god and god will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again cause "God will grant him a miracle."

    With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grand me a miracle and I have been let down." St. Peter chuckles and responds, "I don't know what you're complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter."

    I was wondering when somebody would post that.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

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    Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    If only we could pray away the stupidity?
    I guess I am gona get jumped on this, but the way I see it, unless the children are old and able enough to declare emancipation of their own free will, the parents have the absolute right to determine what if any medical treatment is appropriate. It is neither your nor my nor the states place to make that determination. These are NOT YOUR children, these children are these parents and they have the burden of responsibility to make these decisions. Would you brook someone second guessing YOUR decisions. I most certainly do not. Especially from the state. The ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. They obviously have very solid belief if they have done this a second time. The family seems to support them and their belief. I don't see this as murder or child abuse, as this works both ways as the state has done far worse far more. Case in point, the case in Massachusetts with Boston medical. Given the choice between the state and the individual I choose the individual every time.

    By the way I don't think the order by the court for the parents to seek medical care for their children is lawful as it violates first amendment protections.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess I am gona get jumped on this, but the way I see it, unless the children are old and able enough to declare emancipation of their own free will, the parents have the absolute right to determine what if any medical treatment is appropriate. It is neither your nor my nor the states place to make that determination. These are NOT YOUR children, these children are these parents and they have the burden of responsibility to make these decisions. Would you brook someone second guessing YOUR decisions. I most certainly do not. Especially from the state. The ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. They obviously have very solid belief if they have done this a second time. The family seems to support them and their belief. I don't see this as murder or child abuse, as this works both ways as the state has done far worse far more. Case in point, the case in Massachusetts with Boston medical. Given the choice between the state and the individual I choose the individual every time.

    By the way I don't think the order by the court for the parents to seek medical care for their children is lawful as it violates first amendment protections.

    Fortunately you don't get to decide.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Fortunately you don't get to decide.
    Its not your decision either. Its not the courts place to be deciding this as well, though it seems they took that liberty anyhow.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess I am gona get jumped on this, but the way I see it, unless the children are old and able enough to declare emancipation of their own free will, the parents have the absolute right to determine what if any medical treatment is appropriate. It is neither your nor my nor the states place to make that determination. These are NOT YOUR children, these children are these parents and they have the burden of responsibility to make these decisions. Would you brook someone second guessing YOUR decisions. I most certainly do not. Especially from the state. The ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. They obviously have very solid belief if they have done this a second time. The family seems to support them and their belief. I don't see this as murder or child abuse, as this works both ways as the state has done far worse far more. Case in point, the case in Massachusetts with Boston medical. Given the choice between the state and the individual I choose the individual every time.

    By the way I don't think the order by the court for the parents to seek medical care for their children is lawful as it violates first amendment protections.
    Too bad these people didn't just abort the child. Then those on the left who suddenly care about the health of children would cheer that decision. But it is the role of the state to defend the rights of the individual, and as parents, they are the guardians of that childs rights until it becomes old enough to make such decisions for itself. Here, the parents clearly failed, and what is clearly neglect cannot be hidden behind faith. They failed in their responsibility to that child and should face the same neglect and endangerment and possibly wrongful death charges that anyone who fails to care for a child in their custody would face.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess I am gona get jumped on this, but the way I see it, unless the children are old and able enough to declare emancipation of their own free will, the parents have the absolute right to determine what if any medical treatment is appropriate. It is neither your nor my nor the states place to make that determination. These are NOT YOUR children, these children are these parents and they have the burden of responsibility to make these decisions. Would you brook someone second guessing YOUR decisions. I most certainly do not. Especially from the state. The ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. They obviously have very solid belief if they have done this a second time. The family seems to support them and their belief. I don't see this as murder or child abuse, as this works both ways as the state has done far worse far more. Case in point, the case in Massachusetts with Boston medical. Given the choice between the state and the individual I choose the individual every time.

    By the way I don't think the order by the court for the parents to seek medical care for their children is lawful as it violates first amendment protections.
    I don't consider children to be the property of their parents. We have a moral, societal, and legal interest in seeing to the good health (read not dying) of children in this country. Just because a parent believes they are following the moral course of action with regards to their child doesn't mean they have an unlimited right to do it. I may think my kid should play sports, hell I may think exercise is a holy pursuit, it doesn't mean I have the right to send my child on a death march and see if he comes out the other side as a religious test. If this is trampling on certain protections in your eyes then so be it---trample away and do it as fast as you can.

    Honestly your argument sounds more like a justification for a 30th trimester abortion than a First Amendment defense.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Its not your decision either.
    It's up to the courts. That is the way it works. Despite your feelings to the contrary. Some folks just should not breed. Are you one of those?

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Too bad these people didn't just abort the child.
    Actually it's too bad the grandparents didn't abort them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Then those on the left who suddenly care about the health of children would cheer that decision.
    WTF? A righty trying to pretend he gives a **** about the welfare of children? Oh wait, it only counts until they are born.

    Keep em comin Shecky.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Actually it's too bad the grandparents didn't abort them.




    WTF? A righty trying to pretend he gives a **** about the welfare of children? Oh wait, it only counts until they are born.

    Keep em comin Shecky.
    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Ironically, this couple has come full circle and is simple embracing the next step in the pro-choice movement:

    After-Birth Abortion.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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