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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Neither religious freedom nor the simple state of being a parent is carte blanche to do anything you want with your child. Disagree with the law all you want, but if you abuse or neglect your child, expect a confrontation with your local law enforcement.
    They weren't doing "anything they wanted," they were complying with their religious beliefs.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They weren't doing "anything they wanted," they were complying with their religious beliefs.
    Which is not carte blanche to do as they did. "Religious beliefs" isn't a get-out-of-jail free card for breaking the law. I would classify the parents as being "slow learners" in this regard, seeing as they've already killed two kids and the pastor says they'd do it to a third.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which is not carte blanche to do as they did. "Religious beliefs" isn't a get-out-of-jail free card for breaking the law. I would classify the parents as being "slow learners" in this regard, seeing as they've already killed two kids and the pastor says they'd do it to a third.
    Actually there needs to be a healthy separation between church and state, meaning that no law should be passed that interferes with someone's legitimate religious belief. That's the American idea, although it seems to have been lost in contemporary times.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Actually there needs to be a healthy separation between church and state, meaning that no law should be passed that interferes with someone's legitimate religious belief. That's the American idea, although it seems to have been lost in contemporary times.
    You're confused. What you're talking about is creating a special class based on religion. That's unconstitutional.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're confused. What you're talking about is creating a special class based on religion. That's unconstitutional.
    No i'm talking about the government not being a nanny state that thinks its job is to raise children, about parent's rights to do as they see fit by their own kids without the government stepping in, and about having the freedom to practice religious beliefs in the privacy of your one's own home without interference from the social police.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No i'm talking about the government not being a nanny state that thinks its job is to raise children, about parent's rights to do as they see fit by their own kids without the government stepping in, and about having the freedom to practice religious beliefs in the privacy of your one's own home without interference from the social police.
    So which is it? Is it religious freedom or keeping government out of how to raise a child?

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So which is it? Is it religious freedom or keeping government out of how to raise a child?
    In what way are those two things mutually exclusive?

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In what way are those two things mutually exclusive?
    Because one argument renders the other one extraneous. The "religious freedom" argument merits its own response, whereas if you're going to make the nanny government argument the religious freedom argument is no longer even necessary.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Because one argument renders the other one extraneous. The "religious freedom" argument merits its own response, whereas if you're going to make the nanny government argument the religious freedom argument is no longer even necessary.
    The fact that they overlap in some areas of logic doesn't make them mutually exclusive, it makes them complimentary.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The fact that they overlap in some areas of logic doesn't make them mutually exclusive, it makes them complimentary.
    I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. I said that one rendered the other extraneous.

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