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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Wrong. No neglect was present in this case. What is present is a decision which you disagree with. There is a significant difference.
    actually its subjective all one can say is they have an OPINION on whether there was neglect, You can not say he was wrong nor can he say you are wrong.

    neglect in general is subjective and a opinion

    legally it was neglect but should it be?
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Wrong. They WERE acting in the best interests of the children as THEY the parents saw them. You see them differently. This is not neglect even remotely.
    again same thing i already pointed out you dont get to make that call at all

    there are women beaters that are convinced they beat thier women out of love and to teach them they see no neglect or abuse in what they do but that doesnt mean there was none present and this is the very thing that makes the discussion and where to draw the line on children even possible
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    Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    I can't believe anyone is actually defending these people.

    The idea that children are property like livestock is laughable to the point of absurdity. For starters, you can sell or eat your livestock.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I can't believe anyone is actually defending these people.

    The idea that children are property like livestock is laughable to the point of absurdity. For starters, you can sell or eat your livestock.
    You can sell or eat you children. It isn't the right thing to do, but I'm sure it's happened before. I hear they taste like chicken.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i would be surprised if there were not large numbers of people who believed they were healed thru prayer
    and Lazarus is a name, if you insist on having one


    but it is. you raise your children up in your own beliefs
    one cannot do that, subscribe to a belief in healing prayer, and then also appeal for medical help you do not believe is the answer. that would undermine your religious teachings to your children
    and we all have a right to our personal religious beliefs (or disbeliefs)
    there is nothing which indicates these parents acted other than in a consistent way with their personal religious beliefs
    we must accept that not only are they are entitled to have their own religious beliefs, they also have the right to act on those beliefs
    just as we must accept your own religious beliefs/non-beliefs, no matter how farfetched they seem to us
    we must practice tolerance of these religious views and actions of others
    Right, of course we must tolerate the religious beliefs of others no matter how absurd they may seem. We also must recognize that others have the right to act on those beliefs. For example, if someone is a Christian Scientist, they get diagnosed with cancer yet refuse medical treatment because of their personal religious beliefs, then we have to respect their beliefs even if it means they will almost certainly die.

    However, their kids cannot consent to such beliefs. That is the problem here. You cannot deny life saving treatment for your child because your child is not an adult and thus cannot consent. Your child is not your "property".

    this is not the same thing
    Of course its the same thing. If it is my deeply held religious belief that prayer is all the nourishment one needs and through prayer one is nourished, then if I completely deny my kids any food at all because of my deeply held religious belief, then how is that any different at all?
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    You can sell or eat you children. It isn't the right thing to do, but I'm sure it's happened before. I hear they taste like chicken.
    Too chewy.
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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Too chewy.
    You're probably frying it.

    bake it at 450f for 30 minutes and you'll find the meat just falls off the bone.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    It's amazing to me that religious idiots like this are (likely) against abortion. At least the fetuses dont suffer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Too chewy.

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    Re: Pa. couple face prison after sons' prayer deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I guess I am gona get jumped on this, but the way I see it, unless the children are old and able enough to declare emancipation of their own free will, the parents have the absolute right to determine what if any medical treatment is appropriate. It is neither your nor my nor the states place to make that determination. These are NOT YOUR children, these children are these parents and they have the burden of responsibility to make these decisions. Would you brook someone second guessing YOUR decisions. I most certainly do not. Especially from the state. The ultimate responsibility lies with the parents. They obviously have very solid belief if they have done this a second time. The family seems to support them and their belief. I don't see this as murder or child abuse, as this works both ways as the state has done far worse far more. Case in point, the case in Massachusetts with Boston medical. Given the choice between the state and the individual I choose the individual every time.

    By the way I don't think the order by the court for the parents to seek medical care for their children is lawful as it violates first amendment protections.
    The children weren't old enough to declare their religious belief of their own free will, either.

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