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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Constitution does spell out the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and explicitly forbids this right form being infringed. Even if a solid argument could be made for eliminating or restricting this right, government could not legitimately do so without first amending the Constitution to overturn the Second Amendment.

    There is no right spelled out in the Constitution to abuse harmful drugs. There is no compelling social benefit to allowing such abuse. There is a great interest that society has in preventing such abuse, as much as reasonably possible.

    There is no valid comparison here, between the right to keep and bear arms, and the “right” that you want to assert to abuse drugs.

    I do agree with you that the federal government has no authority to regulate drug abuse, that this belongs to the states.

    But there is no inconsistency in defending an explicit Constitutional right that strengthens those who exercise it, and strengthens society as a whole; while denying a “right” which is found nowhere in the Constitution, and the exercise of which is only harmful to those who exercise it, and to society as a whole.
    Remember how I mentioned "See the 9th and 10th Amendments" in that post you quoted? Why didn't you do that before replying with this?

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    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    Do you understand what that means?

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Remember how I mentioned "See the 9th and 10th Amendments" in that post you quoted? Why didn't you do that before replying with this?


    Do you understand what that means?
    You seem to be trying to claim that the Ninth and Tenth Amendments support a claim to any and all “rights”. I think this is very obviously an extreme, hyperbolic interpretation of those Amendments. If there's a Constitutional “right” to abuse drugs, then what isn't a right? Clearly, any society has a need and a legitimate authority to impose rules and laws that are necessary to protect the well-being of that society and of the individuals that comprise it. Your interpretation of these Amendments would gut the very concept of any rule of law and order.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You seem to be trying to claim that the Ninth and Tenth Amendments support a claim to any and all “rights”. I think this is very obviously an extreme, hyperbolic interpretation of those Amendments. If there's a Constitutional “right” to abuse drugs, then what isn't a right? Clearly, any society has a need and a legitimate authority to impose rules and laws that are necessary to protect the well-being of that society and of the individuals that comprise it. Your interpretation of these Amendments would gut the very concept of any rule of law and order.
    The federal government has not the proper power to regulate people using drugs-especially drugs produced in the same state as the consumers. the state governments do have that power though the rational basis for some drug laws is beyond comprehension by intelligent people given alcohol and tobacco. The federal war on drugs is based on the idiotic expansion of the commerce clause which was further mutated to reach say weed grown and used in say KY



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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The federal government has not the proper power to regulate people using drugs-especially drugs produced in the same state as the consumers. the state governments do have that power though the rational basis for some drug laws is beyond comprehension by intelligent people given alcohol and tobacco. The federal war on drugs is based on the idiotic expansion of the commerce clause which was further mutated to reach say weed grown and used in say KY
    I do not disagree with you regarding the federal lack of authority to regulate drug abuse. Clearly, this is something that does not legitimately fall under any power delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, and therefore, per the Tenth Amendment, falls under the authority of the states.

    My big disagreement with Binary_Digit is with his apparent attempt to claim that drug abuse is a “right”, comparable to the right to keep and bear arms, or to any other explicitly-enumerated Constitutional right. I find no basis for this claim, that cannot easily be expanded to cover almost any behavior, no matter how harmful, as also being equally a “right”.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I do not disagree with you regarding the federal lack of authority to regulate drug abuse. Clearly, this is something that does not legitimately fall under any power delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, and therefore, per the Tenth Amendment, falls under the authority of the states.

    My big disagreement with Binary_Digit is with his apparent attempt to claim that drug abuse is a “right”, comparable to the right to keep and bear arms, or to any other explicitly-enumerated Constitutional right. I find no basis for this claim, that cannot easily be expanded to cover almost any behavior, no matter how harmful, as also being equally a “right”.
    Maybe this will help: The People have the right to do ANYTHING THEY WANT unless it's prohibited by Constitutionally-compliant laws. It's as simple as that. Just because a right is "explicitly-enumerated" in the Bill of Rights, doesn't mean other rights which are not enumerated don't exist. That's what the 9th Amendment clearly and plainly says.

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Maybe this will help: The People have the right to do ANYTHING THEY WANT unless it's prohibited by Constitutionally-compliant laws. It's as simple as that. Just because a right is "explicitly-enumerated" in the Bill of Rights, doesn't mean other rights which are not enumerated don't exist. That's what the 9th Amendment clearly and plainly says.
    Actually, people have the right to do anything they want without Federal intervention. However, that does not necessarily apply to the states, which have the power to regulate what happens inside their own borders, as long as it does not violate the Constitution.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, people have the right to do anything they want without Federal intervention. However, that does not necessarily apply to the states, which have the power to regulate what happens inside their own borders, as long as it does not violate the Constitution.
    That's pretty much the same thing I said, isn't it? "The People have the right to do ANYTHING THEY WANT unless it's prohibited by Constitutionally-compliant laws." The phrase "Constitutionally-compliant laws" was supposed to encompass both Federal and State laws which are not unconstitutional.

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    That's pretty much the same thing I said, isn't it? "The People have the right to do ANYTHING THEY WANT unless it's prohibited by Constitutionally-compliant laws." The phrase "Constitutionally-compliant laws" was supposed to encompass both Federal and State laws which are not unconstitutional.
    It doesn't say in the Constitution that I have the right to manufacture heroin. Should I be allowed to manufacture heroin, as an unenumerated right?
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, people have the right to do anything they want without Federal intervention. However, that does not necessarily apply to the states, which have the power to regulate what happens inside their own borders, as long as it does not violate the Constitution.
    The Bill of Rights does apply to the States so on the face of it the 9th Amendment may well confer a right to take any substance one chooses to.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It doesn't say in the Constitution that I have the right to manufacture heroin. Should I be allowed to manufacture heroin, as an unenumerated right?
    Yes! Unless: 1. There is a law preventing the manufacture of heroin, and 2. That law is Constitutional.

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