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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is your opinion. Do not try to pass it off as fact.
    Sure it's my opinion. But it's entirely consistent with common English language usage and, more to the point, recent SC decisions.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Anyone who is pro-2nd Amendment (in favor of the right to keep and bear arms) and pro-war on drugs (in opposition to the right to put what you want into your own body) is a perfect example.
    There is no enumerated Constitutional right to drug abuse.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about.
    Neither does the one to whom you were replying.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There is no enumerated Constitutional right to drug abuse.
    So what? There's no right to have children in there either. Here's a quick civics lesson for you: the Constitution doesn't spell out what rights the people have, it spells out what rights the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has (see the 9th and 10th Amendments). And the Federal government simply doesn't have the Constitutional authority to dictate what you can and cannot put into your own body. Why do you think they had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol? Because without it, the Federal government didn't have that authority. And they still don't.

    So I repeat: people who are pro-2nd Amendment and pro-Drug War are inconsistent WRT rights of the People they do and do not support.

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    So what? There's no right to have children in there either. Here's a quick civics lesson for you: the Constitution doesn't spell out what rights the people have, it spells out what rights the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has (see the 9th and 10th Amendments). And the Federal government simply doesn't have the Constitutional authority to dictate what you can and cannot put into your own body. Why do you think they had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol? Because without it, the Federal government didn't have that authority. And they still don't.

    So I repeat: people who are pro-2nd Amendment and pro-Drug War are inconsistent WRT rights of the People they do and do not support.
    Even IF you are correct, your comments would only apply to the FEDERAL government. All state governments have long since signed onto all the federal Pharmacy laws. The constitution does indeed grant states the power to make such law.

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    An example is not a norm. He's making blanket statements about Pro-2A people.
    1. He never said it was the "norm". He said "if more people..." which implies at least some Pro-2A people are that way, in his view.

    2. You asked for proof that some (the same "some" from the above implication) Pro-2A people are inconsistent with their support for human rights. I figured the example I gave was exactly the kind of proof you were asking for.

    3. I don't agree with his assertion that more people would be on-board with gun rights if the Pro-2A people were more consistent. So I didn't touch that part of it, and didn't mean to imply any sort of support for it.

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Even IF you are correct, your comments would only apply to the FEDERAL government. All state governments have long since signed onto all the federal Pharmacy laws. The constitution does indeed grant states the power to make such law.
    That is correct. I think the prohibition of drugs is just bad policy on its face, but the States would be within their Constitutional authority to implement such laws. The Fed, however, is way out of its jurisdiction with its current set of drug laws (which probably include many if the pharmacy laws you mentioned).

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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    1. He never said it was the "norm". He said "if more people..." which implies at least some Pro-2A people are that way, in his view.

    2. You asked for proof that some (the same "some" from the above implication) Pro-2A people are inconsistent with their support for human rights. I figured the example I gave was exactly the kind of proof you were asking for.

    3. I don't agree with his assertion that more people would be on-board with gun rights if the Pro-2A people were more consistent. So I didn't touch that part of it, and didn't mean to imply any sort of support for it.
    He was talking out of his ass. Every Pro-2A person I know supports all of the Consitution.
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Except for the times when a Conservative Court rules against the NRA "elites", who do NOT represent their membership with their views.
    Of all places to have a common-sense gun law, I commend Texas.
    This TX law should be made into a National Law toot sweet .
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    Re: Supreme Court declines challenges to gun laws

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Even IF you are correct, your comments would only apply to the FEDERAL government. All state governments have long since signed onto all the federal Pharmacy laws. The constitution does indeed grant states the power to make such law.
    Not necessarily. When California legalized medical marijuana, the Federal government still came in and busted weed pharmacies for a while, even though the state said it was OK to have them. Where were the "limited Federal government crowd" on that one? But, if a state wants to do background checks before letting someone purchase a firearm, the "limited Federal government crowd" screams bloody murder. If you want limited Federal government, it must apply to ALL situations, not just those you support. I think it's amazing that those who scream the most for limited government are the very same people who support the prison industrial complex, which incarcerates more people than anybody else in the world, and who also support the war on drugs that puts nonviolent drug offenders in prison in such huge numbers. This, frankly, is Federal government out of control....... I hear crickets.
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