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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

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    Private lands. But weren't you saying it'd be too costly?
    It depends on the price of oil, which is fixed by supply and demand. Increase the supply, and the price goes down. If it goes down below the cost of recovery, then those oilfields are going to be idled. That's why we can't drill our way to energy independence: The oil we have is too expensive to recover. All the Mid East has to do is open up the spigot a bit, and the price goes down. The Saudis have no interest in expensive oil, as that would make it possible for us to maybe produce enough for domestic consumption.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

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    It depends on the price of oil, which is fixed by supply and demand. Increase the supply, and the price goes down. If it goes down below the cost of recovery, then those oilfields are going to be idled. That's why we can't drill our way to energy independence: The oil we have is too expensive to recover. All the Mid East has to do is open up the spigot a bit, and the price goes down. The Saudis have no interest in expensive oil, as that would make it possible for us to maybe produce enough for domestic consumption.
    If that is truly the case, and not just a convenient excuse for greenies in this country to force American's off of fosil fuels, then I would say it is time for America to press forward, and upset the status quo....Why are we sitting back and letting the enemies of America dictate our pricing structure, instead of partnering with our friends like Canada for energy independence, and telling the Saudi's to eat their sand from now on.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If that is truly the case, and not just a convenient excuse for greenies in this country to force American's off of fosil fuels, then I would say it is time for America to press forward, and upset the status quo....Why are we sitting back and letting the enemies of America dictate our pricing structure, instead of partnering with our friends like Canada for energy independence, and telling the Saudi's to eat their sand from now on.
    The unfortunate truth is that recovering oil from oil shale and tar sands is expensive.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

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    The unfortunate truth is that recovering oil from oil shale and tar sands is expensive.
    Then we need to unleash the industry to innovate to bring those costs down...The answer is not just throwing up our hands and proclaiming 'ah well, nothing we can do about it'.....
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

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    Then we need to unleash the industry to innovate to bring those costs down...The answer is not just throwing up our hands and proclaiming 'ah well, nothing we can do about it'.....
    Well, we could perhaps create a domestic market by imposing high tariffs on oil, then exploiting domestic deposits. Of course, such a program would raise the cost of energy, but it could bring about energy independence. The oil companies would have to trust that the tariff was permanent and would not be lifted after they had invested however many billions would be necessary to recover and process the oil, which could be an issue. The government hasn't proven to be the most trustworthy entity, after all.

    If the producers and refiners of petroleum could be convinced to go along, we could then tell the Saudis to go pound sand, which they have in great abundance after all, while paying $5 or so a gallon for gas.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

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    What a punk Maduro is....I think the US should just say fine, and withdraw all aid, and trade with the country, and tell this little thug that he can explain that to the people.
    What a punk the US has been to Venezuela and most of Latin America. Always trying to control countries with the purse and or the military. Even if they do have to suffer temporary financial sorrows, Venezuela should tell the US to **** off. At least there'd have they're dignity.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, we could perhaps create a domestic market by imposing high tariffs on oil, then exploiting domestic deposits. Of course, such a program would raise the cost of energy, but it could bring about energy independence. The oil companies would have to trust that the tariff was permanent and would not be lifted after they had invested however many billions would be necessary to recover and process the oil, which could be an issue. The government hasn't proven to be the most trustworthy entity, after all.

    If the producers and refiners of petroleum could be convinced to go along, we could then tell the Saudis to go pound sand, which they have in great abundance after all, while paying $5 or so a gallon for gas.
    Just the threat of the US expanding it's known reserves in that regard are enough to bring world pricing down. We've seen that in the past.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What a punk the US has been to Venezuela and most of Latin America. Always trying to control countries with the purse and or the military. Even if they do have to suffer temporary financial sorrows, Venezuela should tell the US to **** off. At least there'd have they're dignity.
    Yes, maybe they could eat that.... I say go for it....Most of the US couldn't care less if a tin pot wanna be like Maduro ended up with his head on a pike.....You just watch how fast that happens if the US snaps the checkbook shut on them.
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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What a punk the US has been to Venezuela and most of Latin America. Always trying to control countries with the purse and or the military. Even if they do have to suffer temporary financial sorrows, Venezuela should tell the US to **** off. At least there'd have they're dignity.
    Dignity means little when you can't feed your family. But I agree, let the Venezuelans starve and realize the endgame of state socialism.

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    Re: Venezuela Opposition Agrees to Talks as Unrest Rocks Caracas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, maybe they could eat that.... I say go for it....Most of the US couldn't care less if a tin pot wanna be like Maduro ended up with his head on a pike.....You just watch how fast that happens if the US snaps the checkbook shut on them.
    Bring it. We're writing checks on ISF anyway. Incase you like borrowing money from China to bribe Venezuela with. You control freak cons are amazing.
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